re: Report: Kyrie wants "very badly" to play for the Knicks

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What about Melo? You said yourself he's not the same star level as he was before he got to New York

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I didn't say that. He's never been that big of a star besides when he first got in the NBA.

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1.) Kyrie ain't Kobe

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I didn't compare them. I used Kobe as an example of having to maintain stardom despite little to no success vs becoming a star.

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I didn't say that. He's never been that big of a star besides when he first got in the NBA.

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Which is universally false

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I didn't compare them. I used Kobe as an example of having to maintain stardom despite little to no success vs becoming a star.

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That's literally what a comparison is. You're comparing their stardom, you're comparing their careers, you're comparing their situation. There is no other word for it

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I'm saying Kobe went through this situation and had these results. Now Kyrie will go through a similar situation so we should expect similar results.

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Your under the assumption that Kyrie is on the same leve as Kobe and will have the same immunity to losing as Kobe. But that's not the case because he is nowhere near Kobes level. (Which is a comparison btw)

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Saying Kyrie isn't Kobe is in no way relevant to that unless you're saying that you can reach a certain level of stardom where being on a winner or loser team doesn't matter anymore. In t

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That's prett much the case. If Lebron started losing, his brand would easily survive. There are exceptions to every rule

You seem to think Kyrie is on Lebron and Kobes level. He isn't

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So the only disagreement here is what level of stardom you have to be to see some immunity to being on a losing team

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Well seeing as Kyrie has been in the league 5-6 years and hasn't been a universal too 5 player and Kobe and Lebron spent 15-20 years as universal top 5 players in the league, I think we can safely agree that they are on two different planets

I compared the situations to get you to see at some point you become immune to your star level dropping off when you're on a losing team. Then you agreed with that.

Now I'm saying I think the level you have to reach is lower than you think to get that immunity. That point is pretty hard to argue so I'm willing to drop the argument at that point but you keep coming back with Kyrie isn't on Kobes level for some unknown reason. I've never once made that comparison. I'm starting to question your reading comprehension. Up to this point I've been chalking it up to lack of effort.

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Saying Kyrie isn't Kobe is in no way relevant to that unless you're saying that you can reach a certain level of stardom where being on a winner or loser team doesn't matter anymore. In that case, you've just pretty much just agreed to my point. We would just be disagreeing about either where that level is or where Kyrie's current level of stardom is which is pretty difficult to define.

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I feel like Kyrie is in a weird area here.

Lebron coming to Cle and them doing the 3 finals and 1 championship thing elevated tf out of Kyrie(in the media and with fans). As it would elevate anyone. And it did pretty much help out everyone on the entire team.

Now, I don't think being on a loser will hurt Kyrie's median stardom. He is what he is because of how entertaining he is, mixed with how much he doesn't really care. It's almost like he rather be left alone and just have a cult following.

He's in a space where he's fun as shite to watch but nobody latches on to him(basically the opposite of a polarizing figure). Basically everyone agrees that he's neat to watch but he doesn't move the needle because he noticeably doesn't even really care himself.

Everybody negotiating for Kyrie should offer peanuts and hang up when the Cavs balk. The Cavs have zero leverage. They can either enter the season with a completely dysfunctional/cancerous locker room, or they can take under market value for Kyrie if I'm a GM talking to them.

ETA: Like if I'm Phoenix, I'd offer nothing more than Bledsoe and Dudley straight up. If they balk, hang up. They'll call you back eventually.

At this point in their careers give me Love over Melo


Love is way better than the stats show. He has been asked to be a rich mans Ryan Anderson on the Cavs. If Kyrie goes you could see him put up 24/11

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Kyrie can continue his off the court success without being on a winning team because Kobe did it

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And the whole Kobe "losing" narrative is ridiculous anyways. Before his last 3 years, post-Shaq, they only had one losing season and that was the only time they didn't make the playoffs.