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Reason #99 why the Heisman is a joke
Posted on 12/3/11 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/3/11 at 10:56 am
A few of the Heisman prediction rankings have Matt Barkely at #4. That guy was completely off of the radar, and then his team won one game against a good team, Oregon, and now he might get a Heisman invite to NYC. I realize that Barkely has had a good year, but how can you go from being off of the radar, to a top finalist with one good game? Don't get me started on the whole "must be a qb or rb" topic.
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Posted on 12/3/11 at 10:57 am to Choupique19
Barkley has better numbers than Luck. Fact
Posted on 12/3/11 at 10:58 am to Choupique19
Griffin was off the radar until he beat the Sooners.
Montee Ball is still off the radar for some strange reason.
Montee Ball is still off the radar for some strange reason.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 10:58 am to usc6158
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Barkley has better numbers than Luck. Fact
That goes back to about reason #1, "preseason hype". RGIII is the best college qb this season.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 10:58 am to Choupique19
It shouldn't be about being on the radar in the beginning but a compilation of your work. Good for the Heisman - Barkley deserves it.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 10:59 am to bisonduck
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bisonduck
Honey Badger punked Oregon worse. TM7 for the Heisman!!! We've seen that highlight all year long!
This post was edited on 12/3/11 at 11:00 am
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:00 am to bisonduck
Griffin has the best numbers before you add his rushing ability. And he's played the best on the biggest stage.
I have no problem with Barkley's candidacy, so long as he's #2 on your ballot behind RGIII.
I have no problem with Barkley's candidacy, so long as he's #2 on your ballot behind RGIII.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:01 am to Choupique19
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I realize that Barkely has had a good year, but how can you go from being off of the radar, to a top finalist with one good game?
So preseason hype and buzz is more important to you to make the award legit?
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:02 am to Baloo
Keenum has better numbers than Griffin and means more to his team.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:02 am to Baloo
I would vote for Griffin myself. Unfortunately, I think his concussion against Tech combined with Richardson's excellent Auburn game tilted the Heisman in Richardson's favor.
I also think Barkley is a legit candidate. If I was in charge of the ceremony, I'd invite Griffin, Richardson, Luck, Ball, Barkley, and Keenum.
I also think Barkley is a legit candidate. If I was in charge of the ceremony, I'd invite Griffin, Richardson, Luck, Ball, Barkley, and Keenum.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:03 am to Zamoro10
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So preseason hype and buzz is more important to you to make the award legit?
Nope, the best players should be there. Not just a qb or rb on a top ranked team who happened to help win a nationally televised game late in the year.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:04 am to Baloo
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Griffin has the best numbers before you add his rushing ability. And he's played the best on the biggest stage.
I have no problem with Barkley's candidacy, so long as he's #2 on your ballot behind RGIII.
Yeah
And not that it matters in Heisman talk but if I'm an NFL team, I'm taking a good look at RG3
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:08 am to sms151t
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Keenum has better numbers than Griffin and means more to his team.
Keenum has thrown for more yards, but on 100+ more attempts. RGIII has a better passer rating and yds/attempt. RGIII wins the rate stats, Keenum wins the counting stats, primarily due to throwing more. And RGIII is a far better runner and has earned his numbers against inarguably tougher competition. I'd take RGIII even before we add the huge advantage in rushing.
If I had a ballot, I'd probably vote:
Griffin
Barkley
Keenum
Richardson
Luck
Though I'd be tempted to drop Richardson and Luck in favor of Ball and Mathieu.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:09 am to Choupique19
Don't know who said it, but basically said that Luck raises the level of his team, as does RGIII, so both are ahead of Barkely.
So, Luck, RGIII, Richardson, Wilson, Blackmon, and Ball should be in NY before Barkely.
So, Luck, RGIII, Richardson, Wilson, Blackmon, and Ball should be in NY before Barkely.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:12 am to Baloo
the poll its going be,
Richardson
Luck
RGIII
Ball
IMO.
Richardson
Luck
RGIII
Ball
IMO.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:12 am to Choupique19
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Nope, the best players should be there. Not just a qb or rb on a top ranked team who happened to help win a nationally televised game late in the year.
I'm confused; now you're talking about Trent Richardson?
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:15 am to DP40
Luck and Barkley are in a near statistical dead heat, but I really do think Luck played poorly in his big games while Barkley played great in USC's biggest games. That's the tiebreaker for me.
Though, to be fair, Luck ha a better rating and yds/attempt. Barkley has the better TD/INT ratio and more yards (due to more attempts). It's close. My tiebreaker is "big stage" games. If you have a different one, that's fair. I won't say you're wrong. they are very even.
Though, to be fair, Luck ha a better rating and yds/attempt. Barkley has the better TD/INT ratio and more yards (due to more attempts). It's close. My tiebreaker is "big stage" games. If you have a different one, that's fair. I won't say you're wrong. they are very even.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:16 am to Baloo
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If I had a ballot, I'd probably vote:
Griffin
Barkley
Keenum
Richardson
Luck
I would replace Keenum with Luck on that ballot.
But I also would reconsider my Luck stance altogether after watching those Heisman presentation videos and learning everything that Luck does. It's no wonder he's going to be #1 and step right into a Pro huddle no problem.
Coach Shaw explains Luck plays at a different level than everyone else ever
Promotional video
I like how they play up USC and ND.
This post was edited on 12/3/11 at 11:17 am
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:17 am to Zamoro10
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I'm confused; now you're talking about Trent Richardson?
Nope, but as for Trent Richardson, many said that he lost the Heisman when his team didn't beat LSU's team. Many thought that RGIII's concussion last week cost him a Heisman, because I guess the first 10 games of the season don't matter, on the 11th game.
Why is Blackmon from Oklahoma State not on this list? He is easily one of the top 5 players in the country. Simple answer, it's all popularity. You have to fit a certain model to be considered for the Heisman, and the first part of that model is qb or rb.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:18 am to Choupique19
Your #99 reason completely contradicts your #1. you know this, right? I say good for the voters for allowing someone with the preseason hype back in the conversation. I really don't understand your beef here.
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