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Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:03 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
6 seems right. Also, 60 career TD's ain't nothing to slouch at.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:24 pm to motorbreath
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If 5 is average and 6 is above average I'd give him a 7.
Hmmmmm, I agree. I change my answer to 7.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 3:29 pm to Peazey
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By your scale, your rating is probably correct. I just don't like a scale where half of the rating consider the HoF. The vast majority of players don't even rate 6-10.
The vast majority of women on this planet don't warrant a 6-10 either. Just means there are a whole lot of 1-5's.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 4:20 pm to StringedInstruments
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10 = first ballot HOF
8, 9 = HOF one day
7 = HOF debate and a possible entry
6 = HOF debate but most likely not an entry
5 = Good starter. Productive player but forgettable.
Odd that one would go straight from productive starter(5) to debatable HOF(6)?
10) 1st ballot no discussion
9)not a consensus 1st ballot HOF ,but not much argument against
8) Borderline HOF player with a few pro Bowls with stats that some question due to rule changes( passing numbers). Or a pro bowl player who might not be considered a HOF without the team success( SuperBowls)/ big market.
7) All Pro type with flashes of greatness ,but not HOF Worthy. "Hall of Damn Good".
Wes Chandler is a (7 )type . Hes a 1 time All Pro & 3 or 4 time PRo Bowler who will never get serious NFL HOF consideration. A couple Super Bowls during his peak may have put him in the 8 range.
6 ) Solid contributors / above average . never broke out to the the serious all Pro / Pro Bowl level.
5) solid / dependendple starter who can start on an NFL roster for a decade or better. Or Journeyman.
Bush is a 6 .
8-10 reserved for HOF discussions.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 8/30/15 at 4:35 pm to SabiDojo
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Hmmmmm, I agree. I change my answer to 7.
Where would you put a Wes Chandler who had a better individual career?
Chandler has 1 All Pro Team & 4 Pro Bowls, but not serious HOF Worthy.
There are many Pro Bowlers/ All Pro types for different reasons that will never be serious HOF Worthy. ( Lack of longevity, consistency, injuries, off the field problems derailing ,etc.....)
Posted on 8/30/15 at 5:08 pm to dukke v
1. I'm rating his NFL career and whether he was successful or not. It's not a HOF résumé so I'm judging whether he was successful. Money doesn't matter to getting in the hall of fame, but it does to having a successful career
2. A Super Bowl is a team accomplishment, correct. A player who did not contribute in any way does not deserve to wear the ring or list it on their résumé. But Reggie was a significant contributor to that team and was monumental in the Cards game of the playoff run specifically. It's a team accomplishment, but it means something to your résumé if you were a contributor on the best team of that year, aka the championship winning team. It won't keep you out of the hall of fame. But give Barry sanders 2 rings and his career is a much different story
3. The cfb thing was just saying he was better in cfb, and he will be known mostly for that, not his NFL career. He'll always be known as a cfb player, not necessarily an NFL player. Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Jerry Rice, and many others will be remembered as NFL players, not cfb players
4. C'mon Peej. You must be well into your daily 12 pack with that kind of post
2. A Super Bowl is a team accomplishment, correct. A player who did not contribute in any way does not deserve to wear the ring or list it on their résumé. But Reggie was a significant contributor to that team and was monumental in the Cards game of the playoff run specifically. It's a team accomplishment, but it means something to your résumé if you were a contributor on the best team of that year, aka the championship winning team. It won't keep you out of the hall of fame. But give Barry sanders 2 rings and his career is a much different story
3. The cfb thing was just saying he was better in cfb, and he will be known mostly for that, not his NFL career. He'll always be known as a cfb player, not necessarily an NFL player. Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Jerry Rice, and many others will be remembered as NFL players, not cfb players
4. C'mon Peej. You must be well into your daily 12 pack with that kind of post
Posted on 8/30/15 at 5:51 pm to iPadThai
Probably a 5-6 but if you factor in the hype more like 3-4.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:02 pm to sugar71
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10) 1st ballot no discussion
9)not a consensus 1st ballot HOF ,but not much argument against
8) Borderline HOF player with a few pro Bowls with stats that some question due to rule changes( passing numbers). Or a pro bowl player who might not be considered a HOF without the team success( SuperBowls)/ big market.
7) All Pro type with flashes of greatness ,but not HOF Worthy. "Hall of Damn Good".
Wes Chandler is a (7 )type . Hes a 1 time All Pro & 3 or 4 time PRo Bowler who will never get serious NFL HOF consideration. A couple Super Bowls during his peak may have put him in the 8 range.
6 ) Solid contributors / above average . never broke out to the the serious all Pro / Pro Bowl level.
5) solid / dependendple starter who can start on an NFL roster for a decade or better. Or Journeyman.
Bush is a 6 .
8-10 reserved for HOF discussions.
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:38 pm to iPadThai
Dude will continue to make $$ for another 4-5 years.
7
7
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:11 pm to iPadThai
5.9
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:37 pm to dukke v
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agreed........... He had the luxury in college of playing with a ton of great players..... He thought he could still beat everybody to the outside once he got in the NFL like he did in college... A gadget player at best......
He's made a bunch of plays in the nfl that were reminiscent of his college highlights. His td run against Dallas in the playoffs last season featured a juke or a cutback that less than 5% of nfl running backs can make.
The concerns about bush going into the nfl were he was small and possibly not an every down back. Those concerns came to fruition, but the guy has been an effective player and is a solid 6. He might grade out even higher if u consider the shelf life of running backs and there are probably a handful of guys that have had the longevity at that position recently. Just looks at guys like Cadillac and Ronnie brown.
There was no way bush would ever live up to what he did in college, he was the best non qb college football player of the last 25 years or so.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:37 pm to moneyg
Below 5 is just an average RB that may get a 1000yd season or two stays in the NFL 4 or 5 yrs an dis nothign special.
Above 5 is a players that has a long career and is either and elite runner or can do it all.
I would put Bush in the above 5 group. He is an above average special teams player, a very good reciever and has averaged 4.3 ypc. That's not a bad career at all. It's not like he has been a back up QB holding a clip board.
I would give him 6.5, not HOF worthy but no average RB either.
Above 5 is a players that has a long career and is either and elite runner or can do it all.
I would put Bush in the above 5 group. He is an above average special teams player, a very good reciever and has averaged 4.3 ypc. That's not a bad career at all. It's not like he has been a back up QB holding a clip board.
I would give him 6.5, not HOF worthy but no average RB either.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:44 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Being drafted so high is his biggest ding. He didn't accomplish the expectation of that draft pick but did have a long career. Gotta go 5 at best.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:59 pm to iPadThai
He gets an automatic 6 for being in the league this long. Average career is 3 years. However I can't make an argument for anything higher so 6 seems appropriate.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:50 pm to Goldrush25
As a Saints fan, I was disappointed with his career, but it's all relative. If the average NFL career for RBs is something like 3 years, and you guys have Reggie Bush at a 5 or even 6, then we have very different grading scales. Forgetting his college career and hype, his NFL career is every bit of a 7.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 5:34 am to iPadThai
I used to hate on him as a way overpaid punt returner, but I noticed during the super bowl run that the opposing defenses really had to account for him. He was better in the slot than as an every down TB imho.
That being said when Sproles came in I didn't miss Bush at all.
6
That being said when Sproles came in I didn't miss Bush at all.
6
Posted on 8/31/15 at 6:33 am to BigPerm30
With 5 being right in the middle, average, he'd be a 7.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 6:33 am to MrPackSix
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The Gale Sayers comparison coming out of college was completely unfair to him. Lot of other players would love to have his career
Well that happened simply because of where he went to school at the time he attended. The CFB media was in the process of hyping everything USC from 2003-2006 in order to get ratings and alter the BCS formula.
I'll never forget ESPN also hyping their WR at the time, Mike Williams, as the next Jerry Rice. There was one CFB program designated to hyping anything USC while bashing other CFB players. There was a segment where they were "comparing" Mike Williams to Larry Fitzgerald out of Pitt. The segment started with the panel agreeing Williams would he a hall of famer like Reggie Bush would be, while Fitzgerald would fizzle in the NFL after a few years. The next 15 minutes were MW highlights. The list goes on.
Can't fault those players. Media creations. Had they played at Oklahoma State or LSU, they wouldn't have gotten near the hype.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 6:52 am to iPadThai
3, he's a bust for being mediocre for a #2 pick
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