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re: Ranking Lebron's place in history
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:28 am to rollthatback
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:28 am to rollthatback
quote:I'm assuming just these because it's obvious Jordan is the GOAT
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Lebron
1. Shaq
2. Bird
3. Magic
4. LeBron
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Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:29 am to RonBurgundy
magic is a boss and may have an argument for better player than MJ, but he played in a much more wide open era
yes, defenses fouled harder, but defense was much simpler and teams ran more fast breaks and shot it more
yes, defenses fouled harder, but defense was much simpler and teams ran more fast breaks and shot it more
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:30 am to rollthatback
Right now if you rank those four guys Lebron is fourth. But, he has a lot of years ahead of him. He has a lot of prime years still ahead of him. He could end up the best ever, we will have to wait and see what he achieves and how long he plays.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:31 am to RonBurgundy
quote:
explain please. Are you disagreeing with my top 20 ranking or the fact that I made fun of Verlandertroll for saying he is Top 7 of all time and everyone doesn't know shite?
No, I'd definitely say as of NOW hes in the top 20.
But comparing him to Bird, Magic, Shaq, etc... right now is just stupid.
If he wins it this year, he will have ONE. ONE CHAMPIONSHIP.
Lets slow down the comparisons here...
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:31 am to rollthatback
Lebron
Steam Engine
Television
Internet
Microwave
Steam Engine
Television
Internet
Microwave
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
magic is a boss and may have an argument for better player than MJ, but he played in a much more wide open era
yes, defenses fouled harder, but defense was much simpler and teams ran more fast breaks and shot it more
I agree. I'd still take Magic over LeBron all day and twice on Sunday. He'd dominate today and with todays coaching he'd be better.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
magic is a boss and may have an argument for better player than MJ
You get whoever you want for one year, and I'll take a Prime Shaq over either.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:35 am to boXerrumble
quote:
If he wins it this year, he will have ONE. ONE CHAMPIONSHIP.
I feel you, I wont have him higher for several reasons, but championships aren't the end all, just the tie breaker. There are guys without championships that I have higher.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:42 am to Palm Beach Tiger
quote:
You get whoever you want for one year, and I'll take a Prime Shaq over either.
oh i didn't even entertain shaq v. lebron
shaq in his prime was a FORCE
*ETA: my love of shaq has nothing to do with LSU. i didn't follow LSU during his college career at all and don't even link shaq with LSU in my head, honestly.
This post was edited on 6/21/12 at 8:45 am
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:46 am to Palm Beach Tiger
quote:
You get whoever you want for one year, and I'll take a Prime Shaq over either.
That's fine. I'd take prime Kareem over Shaq, but yes Prime Shaq is still the best thing we've seen since the Bulls dynasty.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
shaq in his prime was a FORCE
Posted on 6/21/12 at 9:15 am to CptBengal
quote:
LeBron
God
Buddha
Abraham Lincoln
Space Aliens
The Hulk
Captain America
Somebody is bitter that their thoughts on how this series would go couldn't have been any more wrong.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 9:18 am to RonBurgundy
quote:
ETA:he's not the defender Bron is,
I personally think Lebron is a better offensive player than Magic.
But, even if I concede that to you,t he difference is not THAT big.
But, the difference between Lebron and Magic on the defensive side of the ball is absolutely huge, and IMO, very easily makes up for my concession on the offensive side of the ball.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 9:24 am to RonBurgundy
quote:
I'd still take Magic over LeBron all day and twice on Sunday. He'd dominate today and with todays coaching he'd be better.
Imagine if Lebron played in the 80s where defense was a rarity.
Examples:
1986:
League FG%: 48.7%
League ppg: 110.2
League Pace: 102.1
2012:
League FG%: .448
League ppg: 96.3
League Pace: 91.3
Imagine Lebron playing in a league THAT much more offensively oriented. Averaging 35 points per game on 54% from the field and 10 assists isn't at all out of the question.
Magic's numbers in today's NBA with offenses how they are would drop.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 9:24 am to shel311
If he wins a couple titles in the next 5 years to shut up the championship arguments, I'm not sure how you couldn't put his peak in the elite elite.
People seem to have a hard time with dislike and objectivity. They aren't mutually exclusive.
People seem to have a hard time with dislike and objectivity. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 9:28 am to Louie T
It's pretty simple. You got to win championships to be considered on of the greatest. Lebron needs at least 3 to 4 rings before you can even mention him with Bird/Magic/Kobe.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 9:28 am to Louie T
quote:
If he wins a couple titles in the next 5 years to shut up the championship arguments, I'm not sure how you couldn't put his peak in the elite elite.
MJ is the ONLY player to ever have a peak like Lebron.
He just is.
Bird and Magic NEVER played on the level Lebron has this year, regular season and playoffs. Not sustained for an entire year. THey quite simply did not do so.
quote:Yup.
People seem to have a hard time with dislike and objectivity
And furthermore, it's the whole "everything was better in my day" mentality, IMO.
The nostalgia of Bird and Magic is clouding the judgment. They were great, no doubt. Magic is a top 2 or 3 of all time. BUt his peak was never as good as Lebron, if you factor offense AND defense.
People can say I'm just pro-Lebron and this and that, when in reality, I'm pro-production/efficiency, and mix in a little defense. That's about it.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 9:29 am to treble hook
quote:
It's pretty simple. You got to win championships to be considered on of the greatest
That's silly.
Tony Parker, 2nd best PG of all time and better than Isaiah Thomas?
Yes or no.
3 titles, 1 Finals MVP.
You can't use the argument for one guy, and against another guy.
Posted on 6/21/12 at 9:33 am to shel311
quote:
Tony Parker, 2nd best PG of all time and better than Isaiah Thomas?
Obviously not.
Just because you win championships does't make you great. But you've got to win championships to be considered one of the greatest ever in your sport. Especially in basketball where one or two players can make an entire team. If Lebron only wins one or two titles, you can't mention his name as one of the greatest
Posted on 6/21/12 at 9:33 am to shel311
quote:
But, even if I concede that to you,t he difference is not THAT big.
Yeah it is. Below the rim, Magic's vision facilitating is unmatched save maybe Nash. Could also score whenever he wanted to
quote:
Magic's numbers in today's NBA with offenses how they are would drop.
I disagree here, Magic skill set would succeed in any era and if the game has better shooters now (as it is being claimed) his numbers only go up. Also, if Magic was privy to today's coaching and training that LeBron is he'd be even more dominant than he was.
This post was edited on 6/21/12 at 9:36 am
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