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re: Pirates Kang out for year; Does MLB need to revisit takeout slide?
Posted on 9/17/15 at 8:50 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Posted on 9/17/15 at 8:50 pm to Chucktown_Badger
IMO, that slide was absolutely dirty as frick. But I don't totally blame Coghlan or think he is neccessarily a bad guy, that is just ingrained in baseball culture.
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 9:01 pm
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Posted on 9/17/15 at 8:52 pm to UltimateHog
He was my shortstop in fantasy. He's been awesome. I'm devastated by this
Posted on 9/17/15 at 8:53 pm to The Seaward
I guess were just in semantics now. I struggle to see how an accepted legal play is dirty as frick.
I'm all about a rule change though.
I'm all about a rule change though.
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 9/17/15 at 8:53 pm to The Seaward
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I don't totally blame Coghlan
I don't either, little fricks have been doing this for awhile without any rule changes.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 9:07 pm to Sellecks Moustache
It almost looks like he hit Kang before he even hit the ground in the slide...if so, that's not a slide. That's a fricking dropkick.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 9:11 pm to Sellecks Moustache
funny thing is ive never downvoted a post on this site much less this thread so keep getting butthurt. THE PIRATES TV CREW SAID IT WAS A LEGAL SLIDE. Stop with the butthurt guys that slide happens multiple times a game. Up to MLB to change rules.
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 9/17/15 at 9:13 pm to tzimme4
But the butthurt is deserved.
YOU HAVEN'T HEARD AN ANKLE SNAP!
YOU HAVEN'T HEARD AN ANKLE SNAP!
Posted on 9/17/15 at 9:31 pm to tzimme4
Not one is saying it isn't legal. It's dirty and slinging his legs out at Kang was completely unnecessary.
Posted on 9/17/15 at 9:44 pm to tzimme4
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This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 9/17/15 at 9:49 pm to LNCHBOX
Hence why I said its semantics. I believe a rule has to be broken and it not be an acceptable part of the game that other players take offense to to be considered dirty.
It was completely necessary to try to break up the double play. If you think it's unacceptable to try to break up the double play then that's different. If he doesn't cause contact then there is no challenge in turning 2
I'm good with disagreeing about it though. Guy plays hard doesn't break rule doesn't do anything that's deemed unacceptable by other players.
It was completely necessary to try to break up the double play. If you think it's unacceptable to try to break up the double play then that's different. If he doesn't cause contact then there is no challenge in turning 2
I'm good with disagreeing about it though. Guy plays hard doesn't break rule doesn't do anything that's deemed unacceptable by other players.
This post was edited on 9/17/15 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 9/17/15 at 10:22 pm to LNCHBOX
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These two are obviously trolling. No other explanation besides being blind.
One is a Cardinals fan and the other is a Cubs fan (assuming). There's your explanation. Fricking tools
Posted on 9/17/15 at 11:57 pm to REG861
The base path is 3 feet wide and the runner has every right slide/run anywhere he wants to in that path as long as part of his body is in it. Nothing dirty about that play. The fielder needs to learn to jump like all the other middle infielders. I was taught to slide like that at like 13 or 14 when kids got to the point they could actually turn two. As a base runner if you don't make an attempt to break up the double play you'd be benched by many of my coaches.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 12:01 am to UltimateHog
Why not just jump over the runner while throwing duh
Posted on 9/18/15 at 12:03 am to DollaChoppa
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:10 am to TigernMS12
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This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:23 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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See the thread title. Should this type of play be outlawed?
Yes. Treat it like blocking the plate
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The player was making no attempt to slide at the bag.
Correct, he was trying to break up a double play, but did stay within the confines of the basepath in that he could touch the base. I'd have been pissed as a fan if he didn't in that situation try to break up the double play. You've gotta play hard when in a playoff race.
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He jumped straight into the defender's knees on a dead sprint. It's as clear as day.
Eh, he hits the ground first and goes shin to shin, like you're taught to do when trying to break up a double play.
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It hard for me to believe that someone can see that play and not see anything wrong with it.
Well as the game has always been played and as the rules allow there isn't anything wrong with it.
I think the better statement it 'when you look at take out slides, it's hard to believe that they're still acceptable in baseball'
This post was edited on 9/18/15 at 7:25 am
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:31 am to piggidyphish
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I think the better statement it 'when you look at take out slides, it's hard to believe that they're still acceptable in baseball'
That's pretty much his exact point
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:32 am to piggidyphish
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This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:38 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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This is basically what I mean. Maybe I haven't been clear. Idk.
No it was clear, I'm just really pushing the every take out slide angle (even the ones people don't make contact on) are dangerous and need to be revisited by mlb if a rules change is to be made.
Because lets be honest. If this isn't a playoff race, coghlan likely doesn't go in hard like that, and if he does, Kang probably eats it and jumps over him, or takes a much wider path off the bag (or goes behind the bag to use it to block the runner) and then is unable to turn the double play.
Posted on 9/18/15 at 7:41 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:This is a really good post.
That angle from behind isn't straight on and probably makes it looks worse than it really is...and baseball purist guy will probably say I'm an idiot...but, I hate that play right there. I think the guy's legs should have to be more on a line with the base path. I can see if you're rounding the bases how you have to come from that angle, but not a slide. The entire purpose of that play is to plow the guy, which is asking for injuries like this.
If you start making players slide directly to the bag, that opens up a lot of doors...what about slides at home? Slides to second or third on throws from the outfield? Those usually aren't directly to the bag but rather around tags.
I'm a big Cubs fan and even though Coghlan isn't intending to injure Kang and he's well within the rules to slide like this, the potential is there for both players to get injured. Let's not lose sight of that fact as well. The Pirates lost a great player for the rest of the year, but so could the Cubs.
I'll admit that if the player sliding like that was wearing any other uniform, I'd definitely feel worse for the Pirates. I do like Kang, though, and it's a real shame.
To Coghlan's credit, he did send a note to Kang in the hospital wishing him well and Kang also conceded that Coghlan didn't do anything malicious.
Also, Kang could have jumped over Coghlan like a lot of middle infielders do.
This post was edited on 9/18/15 at 7:43 am
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