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Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:49 am to shel311
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When Magic Johnson and Jerry West call you the greatest Laker ever... the greatest player of the greatest basketball franchise ever... you're in the Top 10
Why are you laughing at that statement? You are aware that Jerry West is one of the greatest GM's and talent evaluators the game has ever seen.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:50 am to WG_Tiger23
quote:You agree with everything Shaq says?
The link is right there with an all time great Shaq telling you Lebron aint got what Kobe has
You can pick and choose, but you're doing so to just fulfill the narrative in your mind that is already made up.
quote:He was also assumed to be the most clutch, then guys started tracking the data, and we saw how that turned out.
By the way, Kobe was considered the best in the league by a lot of people for a good stretch of years
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:52 am to shel311
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You could probably easily make the argument that some of the guys with the most drive are the guys not skilled enough or big enough and sit at the end of the bench and are fighting for a job and a good paycheck. Those dudes, I'm certain, have been some of the hardest working dudes in the NBA, but "drive" only gets assigned to guys who are good.
Nah, I am pretty sure it is the guys who repeatedly have stories brought up about their work ethic.
There is more than just statistics. Numbers should be used in conjunction with visual analysis, not exclusively. Even the biggest members of communities like SABR recognize the importance of context. Putting everything in a rate stat vacuum can be almost as blind as the stupid GOAT, LeQuit, Kobe, etc drivel.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:53 am to shel311
Jerry West is in their
Boeheim
Horry
Gary Payton
Shaq (not like the most dominant center in NBA history or anything, and teammate of Kobe)
Boeheim
Horry
Gary Payton
Shaq (not like the most dominant center in NBA history or anything, and teammate of Kobe)
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:53 am to shel311
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You agree with everything Shaq says?
You know there's like 15 other greats that agree with Shaq.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:55 am to WG_Tiger23
quote:This is not what that article said, there weren't 16 NBA players and stars that said Kobe works harder...fwiw.
Basing it off the sixteen NBA players and superstars that said Kobe works harder than any player they have ever seen.
I'll concede I read the 1st 5 or 6, and I believe all but maybe 1 never had a quote from the guy saying Kobe works harder than any player they'd ever seen.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:56 am to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:Ok, so you're on record, whoever Magic and West has as their top 10 is gospel, concrete, and can't be argued against, correct? They can't be wrong, if your top 10 differs, you change your top 10 to match theirs, correct?
Why are you laughing at that statement? You are aware that Jerry West is one of the greatest GM's and talent evaluators the game has ever seen.
If so, you do that, I'll pass. If not, that's why I laughed at it.
That doesn't even get into the obvious biases they'd have towards the Laker player.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:57 am to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:Ah yea, because reporters are dying to report about that 12th guy on the bench who may or may not be on a team next year. You serious?
Nah, I am pretty sure it is the guys who repeatedly have stories brought up about their work ethic.
There is zero doubt in my mind that there are just as many guys at the end of the bench working just as hard as the elite guys, zero.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:59 am to shel311
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14) Ronnie Turiaf
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no one works harder than him. No one practices harder.
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Michael Jordan
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He said Kobe had done that work to deserve the comparison. He says Kobe’s the only one to have done the work.”
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Jim Boeheim’s
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“Kobe, from day one, is just the hardest-working player I’ve ever been around.
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Deron Williams
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He’s one of the hardest workers I’ve ever seen,” Williams said. “He’s just a great competitor. . . . Just seeing how he works every day, it’s inspiring.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:02 pm to WG_Tiger23
I'm not even trying to downplay it, but that's 2 out of 16, based on your quotes?
Just pointing out, you assigned something to 16 guys that 16 guys never said.
Just trying to have it stay factual.
Just pointing out, you assigned something to 16 guys that 16 guys never said.
Just trying to have it stay factual.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:04 pm to shel311
Kobe was considered the best in the league for a while, an all time great, and is still in the gym everyday earlier than anyone else, and longer than anyone else.
That is it. Plain and simple. Argue around it all you want.
That is it. Plain and simple. Argue around it all you want.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:05 pm to boXerrumble
Did he not mention LBJ because its so obvious he's better than Kobe and MJ?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:05 pm to shel311
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shel311
You don't really agrue anything. All you do is ask how we know that, etc.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:06 pm to WG_Tiger23
quote:I'll assume you right on the gym stuff, and I agree with everything you've said here, not sure where you're going with that one lol.
Kobe was considered the best in the league for a while, an all time great, and is still in the gym everyday earlier than anyone else, and longer than anyone else.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:07 pm to Mohamed Ali
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Mohamed Ali
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Did he not mention LBJ because its so obvious he's better than MJ
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:08 pm to shel311
Kind of like your point about the bench players who work hard. Yeah obviously they do, and I know where you are coming from about how they don't get media attention.
But Kobe was at the top of basketball and never ever did he stop trying to get better.
But Kobe was at the top of basketball and never ever did he stop trying to get better.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:08 pm to Lion8
quote:You're catching on!!
You don't really agrue anything. All you do is ask how we know that, etc.
This is going right over your head fwiw.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 12:12 pm to WG_Tiger23
quote:Kobe obviously works hard, super hard, probably one of the hardest workers ever. I think you guys may be missing my point here.
Kind of like your point about the bench players who work hard. Yeah obviously they do, and I know where you are coming from about how they don't get media attention.
But Kobe was at the top of basketball and never ever did he stop trying to get better.
But when someone specifically says they know he has more drive than lebron, or any one guy, and saying otherwise means you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not even saying Lebron works as hard. All I am saying is no, that is not fact and we don't know who has more drive and stating anything definitively is just silly.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 12:15 pm
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