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re: Olajuwon most underrated player of all time?
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:46 pm to mattz1122
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:46 pm to mattz1122
Actually you can argue with his accomplishments stat wise and team wise Jabbar is the most underrated. Which is why I mentioned him.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 9:47 pm
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Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:48 pm to sms151t
Kewl. Make a Jabbar thread, you Houston-thread derailer.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:49 pm to Buck Dancer
FWIW Bill Simmons has him 11th all time, just behind Big O and ahead of Shaq. (This is from 2010, so update LeBron into the top 10, and Hakeem is 12th)
LINK
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This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 6/24/16 at 9:50 pm to mattz1122
I didn't derail anything I provided an alternative.
You're just pissy that I didn't call the best player in SWC history the most underrated.
You're just pissy that I didn't call the best player in SWC history the most underrated.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:01 pm to CapperVin
spree is the most underrated of all time ... none of those guys every played for danny punkainge or pj carlito ...
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:05 pm to mattz1122
The Dream Shake was dirty
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:11 pm to gobuxgo5
Underrated? Yes. Most underrated of all time? No. People within this thread seem to want to diminish Bill Russell, and suggest Olajuwon > Russell. All time, there's no way you can put Olajuwon before Russell. Russell was/is the benchmark for that position. Olajuwon was great for his time, no one can argue that, but I'd personally put Russell ahead of him. If anyone doubts how great Russell was, I'd suggest going back to YouTube and watching some of his highlights. That being said, Olajuwon is probably one of the best modern centers to play the game. The guy had incredible skill and I loved watching him play. Sad that players of his mold have disappeared in the current NBA.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:22 pm to TigerNavyDoc
Russell played at a time when there were only 8 teams in the league. He was also on a team where all of the starters and even the 6th man is in the hall of fame.
He also only averaged 15.1 ppg for his career in an average of 42 minutes per game.. and that was on only 44% shooting. That's bad for a big man.
Per 36 he only averaged 12.8 points per game. His TS% was .471... that's god-awful.
I don't care how good he was on defense, his offensive game was not good.
That might be fine for an all-star... but we're talking about all-time greats. He doesn't cut it.
He also only averaged 15.1 ppg for his career in an average of 42 minutes per game.. and that was on only 44% shooting. That's bad for a big man.
Per 36 he only averaged 12.8 points per game. His TS% was .471... that's god-awful.
I don't care how good he was on defense, his offensive game was not good.
That might be fine for an all-star... but we're talking about all-time greats. He doesn't cut it.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:30 pm to TigerNavyDoc
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If anyone doubts how great Russell was, I'd suggest going back to YouTube and watching some of his highlights.
he gets the love for titles and for supposedly dominating the Goliath.
And of course, he deserves all the credit for all those championships because he was so clutch. But Russell had the best team in the game for a decade before FA.
As for dominating Wilt...Chamberlain averaged 28 points and 28 rebounds a game vs. Russell. In fact, for being so much bigger than everyone else...Russell's offensive numbers are paltry per game...like a reserve guard.
Russell's stats pale in comparison to Wilts for career-wise...points per game, rebounds, etc.
And as for dominating. Sure Russell won those titles over the Lakers but it was something like 5 titles decided by 9 points total. What a twist of events for history if a few buckets go the other way?
If Wilt wins those 5 game 7s, he's the GOAT...because not only was he considered the better player by far back then, but now he has the titles to back it up for succeeding generations.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:30 pm to PrimeTime Money
How does he compare offensively to other greats in his time?
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:30 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Russell played at a time when there were only 8 teams in the league. He was also on a team where all of the starters and even the 6th man is in the hall of fame. He also only averaged 15.1 ppg for his career in an average of 42 minutes per game.. and that was on only 44% shooting. That's bad for a big man. Per 36 he only averaged 12.8 points per game. His TS% was .471... that's god-awful. I don't care how good he was on defense, his offensive game was not good. That might be fine for an all-star... but we're talking about all-time greats. He doesn't cut it.
So who is the better track star? Jesse Owens and his 4 golds in the 100 m, 200 m, long jump and, 4X100 m relay or Carl Lewis and his 4 holds in the 100 m, 200 m, long jump and 4X100 m relay?
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:39 pm to MikeD
Straight dirty!!!
Posted on 6/24/16 at 10:59 pm to gobuxgo5
I think he's overrated. But I know so little about him that I can't even hold a halfway decent conversation about him. He's underrated to me because I know he's better than I can give him credit for.
ETA: underrated. I'm an idiot.
ETA: underrated. I'm an idiot.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:09 pm to Buck Dancer
quote:Definite not "a lot"
He is a great player, but, there have been a lot better players
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:12 pm to shel311
MJ was great. BUT, there have been lots of them things, so meh.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:12 pm to Buck Dancer
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He was an incredible player, but, would you put him before Jordan, Russell, Robertson, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabar, Johnson, Duncan, Oneal, Bird, Petit, James?
Not taking anything away from the Dream, but, he is not a top 5 NBA player of all time
half the posters never saw Oscar, Wilt, Russell, Petit. the announcers used to drool about Petit's touch on offense when he would get a tip in.
Two time MVP.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 11:21 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Lmao....since you brought Wilt into the picture. How did Wilt fare against Russell? LINK
Irregardless, Olajuwan deserves to be respected as one of the premiere centers of the modern era.
Irregardless, Olajuwan deserves to be respected as one of the premiere centers of the modern era.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 3:14 am to TigerNavyDoc
Regardless
Posted on 6/25/16 at 8:18 am to CapperVin
This skills make him tough to pigeon hole. Therefore tough to rate.
He's high for me. A small center who played and shot like a forward. Started with a real center and the twin towers had Sampson and a cagey Moses Malone.
He's high for me. A small center who played and shot like a forward. Started with a real center and the twin towers had Sampson and a cagey Moses Malone.
Posted on 6/25/16 at 10:07 am to LSU alum wannabe
Moses was already in Philly
Olajuwon was the C Sampson was the 4
Olajuwon was the C Sampson was the 4
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