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re: Official Week 6 College Football Bet Thread

Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by engvol
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:40 pm to
Bookie currently has no action but given that they have previously allowed me to cash out a bet for more than the total value in hoping for another CPU error
Posted by accnodefense
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:41 pm to
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How could you not love Oklahoma State +7 in Morgantown? Yeah, it's a tough place to play, but OSU is a much better team than WV.


2 years ago Oklahoma State came in as big favorites to Morgantown and got beat pretty easily

Not sold on Oklahoma State's offense.

West Virginia's defense is good, I think the best in the Big 12, they just killed themselves with 5 turnovers last week.

I have no play on either side of this game, I have a play on the under, but to say Oklahoma State is the better team is foolish IMO. Oklahoma State is 2 bad ref calls away from being 0-2 in the Big 12, and played a shite out of conference schedule in which they didn't even impress against.
Posted by PeteRose
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:48 pm to
Sagarin has hfa around 3.5. But not all hfa are equal. But 7 is a bit high.

Bama is -7 vs lsu in Tuscaloosa. But if the game is play at tiger stadium, line would hover around pickem. No way lsu is -7 vs bama at tiger stadium.
Posted by PeteRose
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:51 pm to
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I locked in LSU -13.5 yesterday.


Mine was cancelled. Books have some kind of rules/clauses where they have the rights to cancel if such thing as change in venue.
Posted by accnodefense
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 1:52 pm to
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Sagarin has hfa around 3.5. But not all hfa are equal. But 7 is a bit high.


My system is different from Sagarin

I track 22 different stats. For example one of them is drive efficiency. Right now the national average drive efficiency is +0.01. Away teams are -0.12, home teams are +0.23. That means the home advantage for drive efficiency is +0.22, and away disadvantage is -0.13, for a net of +0.35 points per possession. An average game has 24 possessions (12 per team) so 24 * 0.35 = 8.4 points.

That's not the only stat that goes into calculating my score projections, but its an example of how my HFA calculations work.
Posted by Broseph Barksdale
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:00 pm to
Question for the quantitative betters - where do you get the data for your model? Do you curate it yourself or is there a clean source that you pull from online?

Im having a hard one finding one. The NCAAF site used to have CSV download as an option for player/team stats but doesn't anymore.
Posted by Broseph Barksdale
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:00 pm to
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Posted by accnodefense
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:07 pm to
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Question for the quantitative betters - where do you get the data for your model? Do you curate it yourself or is there a clean source that you pull from online?


I know a guy who knows a guy who supplies it to me. I am worried about that source getting cut off, and have been considering developing my own scraper for when that day comes.

All I really need for my model is drive data. I can extrapolate time of possession and other stuff from the drive data, and then manually input small bits like Home/Away/Neutral, Final Score, and other bits that don't need to be scraped.

Some guys at /r/cfbanalysis(I hate reddit, but these guys are working hard to put together data sources) have been able to get about 99% of the drives together, but are missing Oklahoma-Akron, UTEP-UTSA, and MTSU-Charlotte. Anyone who models knows you need 100% of it for it to be useful. But if you really wanted to, you could simply manually enter in drive data for those 3 games. Last year my supplier was unable to provide about 11 games over the course of the year, so I had to manually input the drive data myself, takes about half an hour per game. So far this year I haven't had to do that.

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Posted by Billy Mays
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:09 pm to
West Virginia just lost their All Big 12 CB Karl Joseph to injury today.
Posted by ChemE in the OP
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:14 pm to
Crazy line activity in the directional Michigan game.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:14 pm to
Whats the sheet saying about Navy cover %?

I know you had it as a nuetral site game
Posted by Billy Mays
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:19 pm to
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Crazy line activity in the directional Michigan game.


Wow... I guess it's time to hit it again...
Posted by oleyeller
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:24 pm to
who are you on in mich game chem
Posted by ChemE in the OP
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:28 pm to
Neither, just an observation.
Posted by accnodefense
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:29 pm to
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Crazy line activity in the directional Michigan game.


I have CMU +7.5 and now see at +7 where is the line movement
Posted by accnodefense
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:30 pm to
Posted by LSUJuice
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:43 pm to
Mine with Sportsbook was officially cancelled. The teams are now listed with an "(In Baton Rouge)" next to them. I just hit South Carolina +18.5.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 2:51 pm to
I know i have asked before so just confirming that it says 65.6% cover?

Thanks again for the sheet
Posted by accnodefense
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 3:08 pm to
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I know i have asked before so just confirming that it says 65.6% cover?


Yes but for the season that method is 120-114 on the year, so its not a sure thing.

With that being said, when it gives a team a 60.7% chance of covering or higher, its 54-43 (55.7%) so the odds are better.

Navy also ticks off these boxes:

-Away Teams who get 8 more points of value or more on Method 1 "Computer" are 8-4 covering the year. Dogs who get 8 more points of value or more on Method 1 "Computer" are 22-10 (68.7%) on the year. Navy is getting 15 points of value according to Method 1

-Dogs who have 8 points of value or more on Method 1, 3.3 points of value or more on Method 2 "50 Matchups" and are given a 60.7% of covering ore higher are 16-9 (64%) on the year. Navy has 6.43 points of value on Method 2 and is at 65.6% cover.

-Away Dogs who have 2.53 points of value or more on Method 2 "50 Matchups" are 52-34 (60.4%) on the year. Navy has 6.43 points of value.

Posted by dcrews
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 3:30 pm to
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Yeah, it's a tough place to play, but OSU is a much better team than WV.


Famous last words.

I haven't really looked too much into this game, but Morgantown can get pretty crazy.

Also, OSU played two teams in the power 5 conferences so far this season. They won both by a COMBINED 5 points, including barely getting by an insanely bad Texas team.

Make sure you get the right side of the 7 if you must bet OSU

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