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re: Non Saints Fans: General Thoughts on Yesterday's Announcements
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:01 pm to bddwolfpack
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:01 pm to bddwolfpack
Its pretty shitty the Patriots should of been hit alot harder than this with their scandal. They took away a SB from the Raiders and had a new tuck rule in place frick the pats.
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Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:02 pm to Freauxzen
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Or blinded by a sport and media that celebrate violence in the game.
Fine, let this come down. No longer should we have "Hits of The Day," or pundits refer to defensive plays as "nasty," "terrifying," or anything other excessively violent and "fear-inducing" word. They shouldn't give props for "getting to the quarterback." No longer should they celebrate LT, Butkus, etc. Should probably remove them from the HoF too.
If the goal is to change the identity of football, change it. But don't be hypocritical about it.
All fans are desensitized from the violence of football since it's a part of the game. Saints fans are ticked because it's their team. Everyone else is feigning "shock" and "awe" because it's an opponent. Nothing else. They probably don't really care either, it's just fun to laugh.
I largely agree with this
The Saints were vulnerable and were going to be punished because
1) the incentive program (tho a tiny percentage of player salaries) is prohibited under NFL rules
2) the coaches and management were not responsive and instead covered things up
3) but most of all because Goddell needs to point to this type of discipline when the NFL is sued by ex players suffering from post-concussion issues etc
The argument that this punishment was justified because the incentive program added danger or risk to the players competing is just not all that damning IMO. But the fact that is was covered up and money changed hands puts the Saints in the position of being in the wrong.
If Goddell runs around saying this is all about player safety etc I think he is doing his due diligence to protect the financial interests of the NFL - but he is also a giant hypocrite. If he says that the punishment was handed down because non-contract bound incentives are against NFL rules and the Saints covered up their infractions? Then I have to tip my cap to his honesty
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:03 pm to Rex Manning
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I thought it was a little harsh but when the NFL tells you to stop and you ignore them, you're going to get popped.
Exactly. If they had stopped when they were told to stop, they get a slap on the wrist. Everyone around the NFL has to know what Goodell is all about at this point. He's basically a dictator. Spit in his eye and you will feel his wrath. The Saints played with fire and got burned. Too fricking bad for them.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:05 pm to bddwolfpack
I feel like the punishment fits the crime.
As the league moves towards "player safety" as whole you have an organization that is promoting the polar opposite in spite of warnings by the NFL about the Bounty issue on a number of occasions.
I'm a Rams fan and we are losing Williams because of this but I still think it was a good call and sends as stern a message about player safety just like the new suspensions being giving to players who violate the new policies of the league.
As the league moves towards "player safety" as whole you have an organization that is promoting the polar opposite in spite of warnings by the NFL about the Bounty issue on a number of occasions.
I'm a Rams fan and we are losing Williams because of this but I still think it was a good call and sends as stern a message about player safety just like the new suspensions being giving to players who violate the new policies of the league.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:06 pm to TigerBait2008
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Like the packers? Oh who btw aren't being punished for there bounties? Or Maybe the Patriots? Redskins?
what a dumbass comment.
What part of my comment was incorrect? It's pretty simple. If Payton and Williams would have cooperated, it would have been much less of a penalty. If they didn't do it at all, the Saints wouldn't have been punished at all. Saying, 'well other teams are doing it so why aren't they getting punished' is a weak argument.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:12 pm to bddwolfpack
The punishment is appropriate. Too many Saints fans are making this about the actual program itself. The harshness of the punishment is less about that and more the fact that the organization was warned repeatedly and given an opportunity to rectify it and basically did nothing. They gave the league the finger and so the league's now giving them a bigger finger.
Their inaction after being approached by the league on this issue is particularly baffling given Goodell's established penchant for stiff penalties and trying to clean up the league. The organization can really only blame themselves.
Not that I'm complaining about having one less big hurdle on the way to another Niner SB in New Orleans.
Their inaction after being approached by the league on this issue is particularly baffling given Goodell's established penchant for stiff penalties and trying to clean up the league. The organization can really only blame themselves.
Not that I'm complaining about having one less big hurdle on the way to another Niner SB in New Orleans.
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:12 pm to TDawg1313
I put "Non Saints Fans" in the title, yet the Saints trolls still make their way in here 
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:15 pm to bddwolfpack
the fact that you are a steeler fan(dirtiest team in the league), and a bandwagon at that, makes all this pretty funny
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:16 pm to Wayne Campbell
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But this is my point. It's not the hits that they're being punished for. It's the fact that they were paying bonuses to players who injured someone.
It's a game of semantics no one can win right now (because we don't have the exact wording), but there's a difference between "$5,000 for injuring someone," and "$5,000 for a hard hit that results in a cart off." Even the pdf isn't as specific besides the singular words, putting them in context would help.
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Even if the hit was completely legal, should a player get a bonus for knocking someone out of a game?
Should he get a high five from his teammates? Congratulations from the commentator? Cheers from the fans? For one that doesn't end in injury?
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That's what the issue is here. Not were the hits legal/illegal, but should an organization reward injuries.
Again, there's a very very big difference even between your own words: "Even if the hit was completely legal, should a player get a bonus for knocking someone out of a game" and "organization reward injuries." You can't put them in the same context.
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The Saints aren't being punished for being dirty on the field. They're being punished for breaking rules and lying about it.
Agreed. And punishment they deserved, but not this harsh.
But I am alluding to the problem being a thing of NFL identity more than anything. The media took this way to far. Fans of the opposition are taking their "shock," way too far. For a league that prides itself on aggression, everyone outside of New Orleans is being extremely hypocritical. (That's not to say that New Orleans are in the right, many are also having overreaction in the other direction).
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:17 pm to Lester Earl
Please explain how on earth I'm a bandwagon fan, Lester?
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:17 pm to bddwolfpack
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I'm surprised Williams wasn't banned from football as he seemed to be the mastermind behind this
His suspension is indefinite and subject to Goodell deciding in the future to end it. For all intents and purposes he's done. Hope he has money set aside for career retraining.
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I'm surprised that Payton got a whole year.
From reading the NFL report he did what Bruce Pearl did (cover it up) and now Pearl is subject to a "show cause" hearing if he ever wants to work at an NCAA school again. Payton is lucky he didn't get what Williams did.
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I'm surprised no players (Vilma + Harper) were suspended; however, those could still be coming
That issue is still under investigation. We'll be seeing fines and/or suspensions in the future. And they'll probably be pretty harsh based on today's events.
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I'm really surprised more/higher draft picks weren't taken.
I'm not supportive of taking away draft picks if the issue at hand doesn't involve something like free agent tampering or draft tampering. But that precedent was set in Spygate so I can understand doing it here too.
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Expected punishments for players?
Not sure what the CBA allows in terms of max punishment but any players that were previously fined for illegal hits and any multiple offenders are looking at the maximum.
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I don't see how Payton keeps his job? Thoughts on his future with the Saints?
I would let him go and claim termination for cause (lying to the NFL about the issue) thus avoiding any buyout clause he may have. I'd fire the GM and assistant coach too and make the same claims.
Bottom line is Rita Benson LeBlanc needs to clean house.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:20 pm to bddwolfpack
I don't give two shits about the Saints and their tainted arse trophy. We got our own cap space probs to worry about.
This post was edited on 3/21/12 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:21 pm to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
I want to change my answer to, "If it made Lester Earl unhappy, then it makes me happy."
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:21 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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The Falcons/Cowboys fan side of me
Wow, youre a hell of a doucehbag arent you?
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:23 pm to HT713
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I don't give two shits about the Saints and their tainted arse trophy
You can't truly believe this. Got to be trolling.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:25 pm to bddwolfpack
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I'm surprised that Payton got a whole year
You may be but I am not
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:25 pm to F machine
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Got to be trolling.
I don't troll, I'm not a 16 y/o girl. I'm saying for the rest of my life when I think about the Saints winning the SB, I'll think about the bounty program. Maybe I'm the only one, idk. But this thread asked for non-saints fans opinion, and I gave mine.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:25 pm to molsusports
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If Goddell runs around saying this is all about player safety etc I think he is doing his due diligence to protect the financial interests of the NFL - but he is also a giant hypocrite. If he says that the punishment was handed down because non-contract bound incentives are against NFL rules and the Saints covered up their infractions? Then I have to tip my cap to his honesty
And I can agree with this.
I fault the front office, but still, I asked in another thread: how motivated would you be to stop doing something that everyone else is doing?
I would think, from a football standpoint, that if the idea of a "bounty" is so prevalent, then it must be useful/successful in some way. IF that's the case, I actually don't fault the front office for stopping, just for doing a terrible job at covering it up.
That's a hard sell. And if the NOLA.com tweet is right, it's an extremely big problem that they decided to pin on the Saints for shits and giggles.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:26 pm to Kige Ramsey
I'm less surprised now after hearing that he lied to the commissioner, covered it up, and wouldn't cooperate.
Posted on 3/21/12 at 2:28 pm to GynoSandberg
I expected ~10 game suspension for Payton, Williams ~1year and heavy fines for all parties. I honestly thought taking picks away wasnt the best approach just bc I think with things like this you should punish the individual culprits and not so much the organization as a whole.
With that said, I'm not at all surprised the punishment is so harsh. Everyone knows Goodell's agenda, he has preached player safety since he became commissioner.
With the facts and studies coming out regarding concussions and injuries, the NFL as we know it is pretty much forced to get safer or all these safety organizations and players are going to come down hard with lawsuits.
And to that I say thank god he is no longer the head coach.
With that said, I'm not at all surprised the punishment is so harsh. Everyone knows Goodell's agenda, he has preached player safety since he became commissioner.
With the facts and studies coming out regarding concussions and injuries, the NFL as we know it is pretty much forced to get safer or all these safety organizations and players are going to come down hard with lawsuits.
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The Falcons have beaten the Saints TWICE under the Payton administration. The Saints are 10-2
And to that I say thank god he is no longer the head coach.
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