JMO - the core issue necessary for the league to continue to prosper and even dominate is not being adequately addressed by either side at this point

That issue the shared business model that has made the NFL so successful. Because the difference in profits enjoyed by different teams is growing greater... there is an increasing tension between the owners and players

Why is that? It's because the NFL is trying to use a mixed business model. A model in which the players take some percentage of the total profits... but the owners enjoy different percentages

What had made teh NFL so different and so successful was teh realization by major and profitable organizations (like the Giants and Steelers) that sharing profits was in their greater long term interest... rather than making superior margins in the short term and failing to grow the larger pie as effectively

This is why you are seeing owners unwilling to open up the books (they don't want the players or the other owners knowing their profits in detail IMO) and why you see them trying to take a larger amount of money off teh top (2 billion apparently) before designating some percentage after that to the players.

It is because that becomes necessary to keep the smaller revenue teams competitive (financially solid) the larger teh % of the pie a few teams enjoy

If the players and owners with a sense of long term vision were to make a different proposal that would be in the league's best long term interest IMO - that proposal would be:

1) no set aside money for the owners prior to profit sharing
2) a smaller % of the total profits for the players
3) 95% or more of all profits shared equally by all NFL teams. No more set asides for luxury boxes etc

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Posted by jacks40

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Posted on 3/12/11 at 10:06 pm to TROLA

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You honestly believe the owners are going to budge at this point? They are hunkering down as we speak and are gong to ride this out as long as they can. Quite frankly their pissed and negotiations have started over.

I just find this process both lockout and decertification to be bullshite. The owners made a solid offer, one that should have lead to continued negotiations, instead the players puffed out their chest and said frick you.

Look at this post of yours.

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. Quite frankly their pissed and negotiations have started over.

So in one sentence you talk about how the owners are getting stubborn and starting negotiations over. Basically puffing out their chest and saying frick you, then you turn around and condemn the players for the same thing.

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instead the players puffed out their chest and said frick you.

you claim to not be on either side but your posts would indicate differently

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Posted by TROLA

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Posted on 3/12/11 at 10:19 pm to jacks40

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So in one sentence you talk about how the owners are getting stubborn and starting negotiations over. Basically puffing out their chest and saying frick you, then you turn around and condemn the players for the same thing.

Negotiations are starting over because the players decertified.. That's what I said plain and simple.

Once again, The last proposal by the owners had serious movement on many fronts including but not limited to the disclosure issues and the money they desired off the top.

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Posted by jacks40

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Posted on 3/12/11 at 10:26 pm to TROLA

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Negotiations are starting over because the players decertified

so rather than build on top of the momentum already built the owners are content to start completely from scratch? Ask yourself if A) that makes sense and B) why you don't hold the same standard to the owners that you are shitting on the players for.

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Once again, The last proposal by the owners had serious movement on many fronts including but not limited to the disclosure issues and the money they desired off the top.

and your saying the owners are gonna give that all up, start over, in order to take their chances in an antitrust suit? A suit that most people say will not be in favor of the owners? Sounds like the NFLPA isn't the only entitiy "puffing their chest out and saying frick you"

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Posted on 3/12/11 at 10:50 pm to jacks40

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and your saying the owners are gonna give that all up, start over, in order to take their chances in an antitrust suit? A suit that most people say will not be in favor of the owners? Sounds like the NFLPA isn't the only entitiy "puffing their chest out and saying frick you"

When lawyers and lawsuits are involved.. Yes. While certain things won't need to be reopened, the money issues are back to square one in my opinion. And while I've obviously never been involved in anything like this.. I have been involved in negotiations that ended in lawsuits and once the lawyers got involved everything changed.. Positions hardened and nobody won.. That's what I fear here.. Instead of getting a situation where they both felt a small victory, we will get a boondoggle that will likely cost all of them money.....essentially over a lack of trust and the egos of both sides.

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Posted on 3/12/11 at 11:09 pm to TROLA