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re: NBA Lottery reform voted on Wed., Likely to pass | Philly/OKC fighting it
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:27 pm to RTR America
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:27 pm to RTR America
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Because getting 1 player can change the trajectory of a franchise in the NBA way more than any other sport tbh.
I get that, but how does that justify a lottery format instead, unless the theory is that W/L record would make it even easier to tank.
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:28 pm to Fun Bunch
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But the way Hinkie is being haled as a genius really irks me a little bit.
Agreed, I've used this same strategy in NBA 2k countless times
I would assume every team that could get fricked out of a protected pick is also fighting this
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:30 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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frick the 6ers. theyve gone way beyond the spirit of NBA rebuilding and turned it into a mockery.
They are embracing the rules that are in place with the risk of pissing off their fans. They still haven't ended up with a #1 pick from the tank, so the lottery is working.
They aren't breaking any rules. They've realized that you likely aren't winning anything meaningful in the NBA without at least 2 superstars and outside of the possible FA splash the only way of doing it is through the draft.
They were burned big time by the Andrew Bynum trade.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:30 pm to buckeye_vol
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I get that, but how does that justify a lottery format instead, unless the theory is that W/L record would make it even easier to tank.
There is more of an incentive to tank because of how large a difference one player can make. This throws some uncertainty into it at least, whereas teams would be racing to the bottom of the league if it was purely w/l
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:30 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:they dont want to guarantee you the best college player if youre the worst team. they want all the teams to compete in good faith, and the the worst group of teams get approx the same odds in getting the top picks. making a lottery system discourages an all out tank, but its not a slam dunk to getting the best draft pick.
Because getting 1 player can change the trajectory of a franchise in the NBA way more than any other sport tbh.
I get that, but how does that justify a lottery format instead, unless the theory is that W/L record would make it even easier to tank.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:31 pm to buckeye_vol
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unless the theory is that W/L record would make it even easier to tank.
It would. The lottery has been doing its job, the most recent draft is a perfect reflection of that.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:33 pm to buckeye_vol
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I get that, but how does that justify a lottery format instead, unless the theory is that W/L record would make it even easier to tank.
Well the theory goes is that if you KNOW that if you have the worst record, you ARE going to get Lebron or Anthony Davis or whomever the next big thing is, then you will all out tank: I mean, we are talking 3 wins at best. And you'll have 10 teams in a fight to be just horrible for most of the season.
That's bad for the sport.
IN THEORY, if you don't know you're going to get the pick, you at least have some doubt, so less teams will be intentionally terrible.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:33 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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There is more of an incentive to tank because of how large a difference one player can make. This throws some uncertainty into it at least, whereas teams would be racing to the bottom of the league if it was purely w/l
That's what I figured. The league is trying to make tanking less desirable by making it less certain. I just wasn't sure if that was the reason they didn't use W/L.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:34 pm to Fun Bunch
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but the NBA is seriously pissed at Philly.
yeah the NBA is basically saying: Philly, i love you, and i need you, but man you're being a bitch right now
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah its not like they are giving all teams the same odds. Just skewing them a bit more.
I think the worst 4 teams have the same odds. And, for instance, the 14th team used to have a .5% odds, but now will have 2%.
I don't think casual fans realize just how far Philly as gone with this. Its pretty unreal.
I think the worst 4 teams have the same odds. And, for instance, the 14th team used to have a .5% odds, but now will have 2%.
I don't think casual fans realize just how far Philly as gone with this. Its pretty unreal.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:36 pm to RTR America
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They are embracing the rules that are in place with the risk of pissing off their fans. They still haven't ended up with a #1 pick from the tank, so the lottery is working.
They aren't breaking any rules. They've realized that you likely aren't winning anything meaningful in the NBA without at least 2 superstars and outside of the possible FA splash the only way of doing it is through the draft.
And the NBA is realized that those rules are ruining the competition of the league, so they're taking action.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:36 pm to Fun Bunch
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I don't think casual fans realize just how far Philly as gone with this
yeah they are literally building a roster of frick around a few young guys with promise
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:37 pm to RTR America
I haven't read through the thread to know for sure but I assume someone has already brought up the proposal of the draft wheel in which your draft order is fixed by year and does not change with the outcome of the regular season.
This would eliminate the desire of some teams to tank since the reward would be absent. The major disadvantage is obvious as well though - a draft lottery is a small event that is used to celebrate the NBA and maintain additional interest in the off-season. My counter argument is the DL is a very small event that generates nothing interest-wise compared to the attention given to the draft itself; further, the benefits of competitive teams fielded all across the NBA would be season long (whereas the draft lottery is a fairly small event that takes place on a single night).
I could see a middle-of-the-road proposal in which the top five draft picks are fixed and rotate every year but the remaining 20 odd picks are done by lottery. That would prevent teams from tanking to get a Lebron type player but still give some relief for terribly run franchises in need of a top ten pick (at least until they leave via free agency four years later). With this system every six years each NBA team would be guaranteed a top five pick - something which would be good for fan interest across the NBA IMO.
This would eliminate the desire of some teams to tank since the reward would be absent. The major disadvantage is obvious as well though - a draft lottery is a small event that is used to celebrate the NBA and maintain additional interest in the off-season. My counter argument is the DL is a very small event that generates nothing interest-wise compared to the attention given to the draft itself; further, the benefits of competitive teams fielded all across the NBA would be season long (whereas the draft lottery is a fairly small event that takes place on a single night).
I could see a middle-of-the-road proposal in which the top five draft picks are fixed and rotate every year but the remaining 20 odd picks are done by lottery. That would prevent teams from tanking to get a Lebron type player but still give some relief for terribly run franchises in need of a top ten pick (at least until they leave via free agency four years later). With this system every six years each NBA team would be guaranteed a top five pick - something which would be good for fan interest across the NBA IMO.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
By the way, what legal ground would they have to challenge this? I could see their point if they changed it mid-season, but if they know the rules before the season it doesn't appear unreasonable to me. It seems that they would have to argue that they were tanking and the new rules messed up their scheme, but even that feels like a long shot since it's not like they won't have the best shot for the top pick.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:38 pm to molsusports
It isn't a draft wheel. That is a terrible idea
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:39 pm to molsusports
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I haven't read through the thread to know for sure but I assume someone has already brought up the proposal of the draft wheel in which your draft order is fixed by year and does not change with the outcome of the regular season. This would eliminate the desire of some teams to tank since the reward would be absent. The major disadvantage is obvious as well though - a draft lottery is a small event that is used to celebrate the NBA and maintain additional interest in the off-season. My counter argument is the DL is a very small event that generates nothing interest-wise compared to the attention given to the draft itself; further, the benefits of competitive teams fielded all across the NBA would be season long (whereas the draft lottery is a fairly small event that takes place on a single night). I could see a middle-of-the-road proposal in which the top five draft picks are fixed and rotate every year but the remaining 20 odd picks are done by lottery. That would prevent teams from tanking to get a Lebron type player but still give some relief for terribly run franchises in need of a top ten pick (at least until they leave via free agency four years later). With this system every six years each NBA team would be guaranteed a top five pick - something which would be good for fan interest across the NBA IMO.
I hate tanking in any sport but this is taking it way too far
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:40 pm to buckeye_vol
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By the way, what legal ground what theory have to challenge this? I could see their point if they changed it mid-season, but if they know the rules before the season it doesn't appear unreasonable they should have to live with it. It seems that they they would have to argue that they were tanking and the new rules messed up their scheme, but even that feels like a long shot since it's not like they won't have the best shot for the top pick.
Essentially just trade value. Completely changes the value of picks especially when you throw protections in there.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:41 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Yeah I hate the draft wheel idea with a passion. Helps big market teams way too much.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yeah they are literally building a roster of frick around a few young guys with promise
They've also intentionally drafted two redundant big men with injury problems that wouldn't be able to play for awhile.
Traded away virtually anyone good and absorbed bad contracts.
Hinkie is really going all out.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:44 pm to Cap Crunch
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And the NBA is realized that those rules are ruining the competition of the league, so they're taking action.
I'd agree if the lottery wasn't already doing its job already imo. I do approve of this lottery reform plan though. I love incentivizing being at least mediocre. Better for the league.
Just not a fan of changing the rules so quickly.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 4:46 pm
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