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re: My biggest fear about CFP has come true!
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:55 am to Lesmilesdoesntfloss
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:55 am to Lesmilesdoesntfloss
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The eyeball test says they arn't as good
The scoreboard said otherwise
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:09 am to Mr. Hangover
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Told you he wouldn't come back and explain...
That's because they don't care about it. They just like the sound of it because on the surface it will mean more games and it's "fair."
It's the same mentality as the people who want to pay players.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:16 am to tigamike
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The only fix is to go to an 8 team playoff with each of the power 5 conference champs getting an automatic spot and then 3 at large selections
and, each conf championship game should be played by the 2 teams with the 2 best records in the conf. Not a east winner vs west winner, or north winner vs south winner, because you can still have a division winner at 8-4. Lets weed out all possibilities for undeserving teams.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:18 am to caliegeaux
That would be gross if the teams play in back to back weeks.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 11:21 am to caliegeaux
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and, each conf championship game should be played by the 2 teams with the 2 best records in the conf. Not a east winner vs west winner, or north winner vs south winner, because you can still have a division winner at 8-4. Lets weed out all possibilities for undeserving teams.
The problem with that is you could have a team who has a favorable record because they avoided to the top 2-3 teams in conference.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:16 pm to champj3
I get you what you're saying, but it's not all apples to apples.
1. Bama 11 and OSU are different cases. Bama was chosen over a l-loss conference champ. PSU has two losses, one of which hurt badly. Had they had one loss, I agree. OSU 's OOC game was a big win at Oklahoma not a loss to Pitt. They also lost by 39 points to Michigan.
2. It's all subjective. The BCS is 2/3 subjective as well.
3. 11/12 teams chosen in CFP were 0 or 1-loss conference champs. I think and hope this is an anomaly.
4. IMO confernece championships more often than not produce the "best" team but like in basketball, oddities happen, but at least a conference-wide tournament is less arbitrary. What if a 6-6 UCLA team from several years ago won the Pac12 championship? Divisions are all arbitrary and schedules are not balanced, so I think it's harder to assume a true champion in that case. But again, most the time it works itself out.
1. Bama 11 and OSU are different cases. Bama was chosen over a l-loss conference champ. PSU has two losses, one of which hurt badly. Had they had one loss, I agree. OSU 's OOC game was a big win at Oklahoma not a loss to Pitt. They also lost by 39 points to Michigan.
2. It's all subjective. The BCS is 2/3 subjective as well.
3. 11/12 teams chosen in CFP were 0 or 1-loss conference champs. I think and hope this is an anomaly.
4. IMO confernece championships more often than not produce the "best" team but like in basketball, oddities happen, but at least a conference-wide tournament is less arbitrary. What if a 6-6 UCLA team from several years ago won the Pac12 championship? Divisions are all arbitrary and schedules are not balanced, so I think it's harder to assume a true champion in that case. But again, most the time it works itself out.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:08 pm to FairhopeTider
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The problem with that is you could have a team who has a favorable record because they avoided to the top 2-3 teams in conference.
Conferences could go to more of a parity based scheduling like the big ten is trying.
"The 2016 schedule will feature the introduction of “parity-based scheduling” for cross-division games. The idea: The top teams in the East (Ohio State; Michigan; Penn State) would play more games vs. the top teams in the West (Nebraska; Wisconsin; Iowa). One look at the cross-division opponents for each school listed below shows that, indeed, parity-based scheduling is in full force" - See more at: LINK ]
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:46 pm to champj3
quote:Nothing has changed with this year's results, not sure where you're going with this one.
Just like in college basketball, a conference championship is now irrelevant to selection committee. It sends the wrong message when penn state is left out for Ohio st who didn't even win the big 10 east. Much like Bama in 2011 who got in over Oklahoma st and didn't even win sec west.
College football used to be all about what your team accomplished not the dreaded eyeball test! My favorite game is now unrecognizable!
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:48 pm to tigamike
quote:3 at large selections, team #4 will complain, this is not a solution.
The only fix is to go to an 8 team playoff with each of the power 5 conference champs getting an automatic spot and then 3 at large selections
You or others will reply to this and say "win your conference" and that's not really an acceptable response or else I will just come back with, "don't lose 2 games, 1 by 39 points."
Winning a conference has NEVER been a prerequisite in CFB, so I don't know what is different to the OP.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 2:50 pm
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