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re: MSB, explain the perennial lack of Alexandria football talent
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:58 am to Jim Rockford
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:58 am to Jim Rockford
I don't think it's that much of a rarity for big time prospects to come out of Alexandria/Pineville. In the last 5 years, CENLA has produced Derrick Milton, Shaan Washington, and Cody Ford for football; Markel Brown, Dee Wagner, Troy Jones, and Aaron Epps for basketball. So the talent is there, but it's spread to thin. Too many high schools for an are with an average population size. In Rapides Parish there are 11 high schools. ASH, Pineville, and Tioga being the largest. But then you throw in schools like Peabody, Oak Hill, Buckeye, Bolton, Rapides, Northwood, etc. and the athletic talent is spread too thin among the schools. If Rapides had one massive high school and few smaller ones, they'd probably be a perennial power house in all major sports.
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 10:15 am to BobBarker
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If Rapides had one massive high school and few smaller ones, they'd probably be a perennial power house in all major sports.
Where would the schools be located? Rapides is a pretty big parish, and these kids would travel a pretty long way to school if there were only a few HSs.
There are also more towns in that parish besides Alexandria, Pineville, and Tioga, and they all seem spread out.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 10:19 am
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:00 am to c on z
i evacuated to Ball in 2005 for Katrina in an area where Tioga HS was within walking distance... we stayed in a house and next door was a family where the dad played ball at either McNeese or what is now USL. they had 7 kids and were homeschooling them for religious reasons. The daughter they had around my age was at Pensacola Christian College... 
The boys seemed to love their sports and they'd be in high school now but if they're homeschooled the LHSAA will never see them
The boys seemed to love their sports and they'd be in high school now but if they're homeschooled the LHSAA will never see them
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:30 am to chalmetteowl
Homeschooled kids can play sports for LHSAA schools.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:36 am to bigpetedatiga
Football area is very weak. Always has been.
Decent in basketball.
4A Peabody is a powerhouse
B Zwolle
Natchitoches Central just won the 5A state championship
B Fairview girls
I think they hold their own in basketball and baseball. Just not football.
Decent in basketball.
4A Peabody is a powerhouse
B Zwolle
Natchitoches Central just won the 5A state championship
B Fairview girls
I think they hold their own in basketball and baseball. Just not football.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 11:49 am to bigpetedatiga
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Homeschooled kids can play sports for LHSAA schools.
since when?
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:39 pm to chalmetteowl
Well I take that back. They use to be able to, but apparently it was struck down last year.
I remember seeing home school kids on teams in the past. My apologies.
I remember seeing home school kids on teams in the past. My apologies.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:47 pm to bigpetedatiga
i don't think they've ever been able in LA and i hope they're never able to...
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:55 pm to chalmetteowl
No they were, I know for a fact.
Knew a coach who had two.
Several programs like this. I think vouchers can be given to kids to anticipate in programs at other schools if its not offered at theirs.
I really don't know the info, but I can check on it.
Why so against home schooled kids playing sports?
Knew a coach who had two.
Several programs like this. I think vouchers can be given to kids to anticipate in programs at other schools if its not offered at theirs.
I really don't know the info, but I can check on it.
Why so against home schooled kids playing sports?
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/27/14 at 1:12 pm to bigpetedatiga
Schools like _______ would just have kids train all year and give free grades.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 7/27/14 at 1:15 pm to bigpetedatiga
it isn't fair to the kids that bust their butt in class all year... some schools would allow those kids to play and some wouldn't, so that wouldn't be fair
Posted on 7/27/14 at 1:28 pm to BigEdLSU
Fair point, but I'm pretty sure there was a limit if the number of home school kids a school could carry.
Just like exchange students.
School could only have so many that played sports, maybe per sport.
Just like exchange students.
School could only have so many that played sports, maybe per sport.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 7/27/14 at 1:32 pm to chalmetteowl
Too many large schools is the major reason.
For years, ASH, Bolton, Tioga, Pineville, and Peabody made up most of one 4-A district with either Marksville or Leesville. Now, Pineville is 5A and Bolton has fallen to 3A, but still the same problem.
Menard has a good football program and drains a lot of talent from ASH.
Butch Stoker ran a good program at ASH, but most of the time, even his undefeated teams never made it out of the first round when they were faced with a runner-up from the tough south Louisiana districts, someone like Eunice, Crowley, Jennings, or Washington-Marion.
His brother-in-law, Brownie Parmley, coached Bolton to the semis in 1991. I don't think an Alex-Pineville public school has even made it to the quarters since then.
I think good ole boy hiring by the school board plays a part. Then the coaches succumb to the pressure from high-falutin' parents to play their kids over more talented kids from poorer families.
When Stoker retired, ASH had a chance to hire an outsider--a guy from Alabama who was a real disciplinarian and took his teams at least to the state quarterfinals every year. His record was something like 75-10 with a couple state championships. They passed on him and brought back a long-time ASH assistant who did nothing as a head coach at Buckeye.
Rapides Parish has no school boundary lines. Any kid in the parish can go to any school, as long as they can get there. I figured when this went in place about six years ago, that one school, probably ASH or Pineville, would out-recruit the rest and become a perennial powerhouse, but it hasn't happened.
For years, ASH, Bolton, Tioga, Pineville, and Peabody made up most of one 4-A district with either Marksville or Leesville. Now, Pineville is 5A and Bolton has fallen to 3A, but still the same problem.
Menard has a good football program and drains a lot of talent from ASH.
Butch Stoker ran a good program at ASH, but most of the time, even his undefeated teams never made it out of the first round when they were faced with a runner-up from the tough south Louisiana districts, someone like Eunice, Crowley, Jennings, or Washington-Marion.
His brother-in-law, Brownie Parmley, coached Bolton to the semis in 1991. I don't think an Alex-Pineville public school has even made it to the quarters since then.
I think good ole boy hiring by the school board plays a part. Then the coaches succumb to the pressure from high-falutin' parents to play their kids over more talented kids from poorer families.
When Stoker retired, ASH had a chance to hire an outsider--a guy from Alabama who was a real disciplinarian and took his teams at least to the state quarterfinals every year. His record was something like 75-10 with a couple state championships. They passed on him and brought back a long-time ASH assistant who did nothing as a head coach at Buckeye.
Rapides Parish has no school boundary lines. Any kid in the parish can go to any school, as long as they can get there. I figured when this went in place about six years ago, that one school, probably ASH or Pineville, would out-recruit the rest and become a perennial powerhouse, but it hasn't happened.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/27/14 at 1:50 pm to timlan2057
I don't think any school can separate itself because they are all so similar. Reason why Menard can't get those good athletes in. Across the board all of the schools are so similar with maybe 1 slight difference here and there between them.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 3:14 pm to timlan2057
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Menard has a good football program
Go Eagles
Posted on 7/27/14 at 6:47 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
If there, were one, 2 maybe even high schools in the Alex/Pineville Metro, they'd all compete well in all sports. There are a lot of good athletes in the area in all sports but as said, talent too spread, money too spread and yes, youth leagues are almost non existent other than soccer and baseball/softball. There is 1 basketball and 1 football league, and its the only way we ever saw talent before the middle school level.
Take us for instance at Peabody, we always have talent. 1 constant is Basketball, and no we're not losing talent. They're just young (see Cedric Russell and Kevin Norman), but we'll have new coaches in baseball, powerlifting (ASH got ours), boys & girls soccer, possibly girls basketball after this year. On top of that, a month before the season starts, the football coach leaves to start a program at Centerville because they are willing to put money into the program and he'll have more kids to begin with. After making the playoffs twice in 2 years and beating ASH for the first in 30. If that kind of progress doesn't keep a coach, nothing will until changes are made to the emphasis put on programs and its the same story at much of the schools. Moderate success and bolting because of lack of funds, pay, and/or interest.
Take us for instance at Peabody, we always have talent. 1 constant is Basketball, and no we're not losing talent. They're just young (see Cedric Russell and Kevin Norman), but we'll have new coaches in baseball, powerlifting (ASH got ours), boys & girls soccer, possibly girls basketball after this year. On top of that, a month before the season starts, the football coach leaves to start a program at Centerville because they are willing to put money into the program and he'll have more kids to begin with. After making the playoffs twice in 2 years and beating ASH for the first in 30. If that kind of progress doesn't keep a coach, nothing will until changes are made to the emphasis put on programs and its the same story at much of the schools. Moderate success and bolting because of lack of funds, pay, and/or interest.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 7:06 pm to LABred08
LABred, I wonder if I know you.
I'm friends with a big soccer guy. Has said numerous times he'd love to coach soccer at peabody. Says they have some great athletes.
I'm friends with a big soccer guy. Has said numerous times he'd love to coach soccer at peabody. Says they have some great athletes.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 7:12 pm to LABred08
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If there, were one, 2 maybe even high schools in the Alex/Pineville Metro, they'd all compete well in all sports. There are a lot of good athletes in the area in all sports but as said, talent too spread, money too spread and yes, youth leagues are almost non existent other than soccer and baseball/softball. There is 1 basketball and 1 football league, and its the only way we ever saw talent before the middle school level.
so ASH has 1200 and Pineville 1350, Bolton and Peabody 650 each, and Tioga 900. If that was two schools it would be two of the largest in the state, and if it was 1, there would be 6A just for it... no one wants any school in LA to be that big
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:54 pm to LABred08
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Simply put, it is too many high schools, the talent and money is spread too thin to let the programs thrive. Most don't realize there are 11 public high schools and 3 private high schools, and a 4th on its way. Of those 11 public, 8 are 1A or higher (football eligible) and 7 field a football program, 2 of the 3 privates do.
Alexandria has 14 high schools??
Posted on 7/27/14 at 9:56 pm to chalmetteowl
Sounds like Monroe/West Monroe except this area is well represented in all sports.
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