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re: More impressive record: Marino's 48 in 1984 or Manning's 51 in 2013?
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:30 pm to SPEEDY
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:30 pm to SPEEDY
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Well something odd was going on in the NFL in 1984. Neil Lomax threw for over 4,600 yards that year.
Neal fricking Lomax
Who cares about Neil Lomax? And BTW, Lomax led the league in passing in 1987 so it wasn't like he was incapable of putting up prolific passing numbers.
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 7:31 pm
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Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:30 pm to SPEEDY
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By the end of his college career, Neil Lomax held 90 NCAA records, including one game where he threw for seven touchdown passes in a single quarter.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:37 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
Marino, he threw the ball like no other or like anyone had seen before.
His release has never been duplicated and was a thing of beauty, loved watching him throw the football
His release has never been duplicated and was a thing of beauty, loved watching him throw the football
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:38 pm to tankyank13
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Marino, he threw the ball like no other or like anyone had seen before.
Agree, But Fouts was REAL close....
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:40 pm to tankyank13
Marino is my favorite QB of all time with Elway a close second
Posted on 12/24/13 at 7:41 pm to Bench McElroy
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Lomax led the league in passing in 1987 so it wasn't like he was incapable of putting up prolific passing numbers.
Lomax has been forgotten and disparaged but in the right organization he might have turned out to be a HOF player. On the Bidwell Cardinals he was never going to be that successful.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 8:59 pm to molsusports
im a HUGE marino fan but 2 things stick out in my mind
1. marinos age vs mannings age
2. healthy marino vs manning after triple nexk surgery where everyone said he would never play again.
1. marinos age vs mannings age
2. healthy marino vs manning after triple nexk surgery where everyone said he would never play again.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:08 pm to tankyank13
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Marino, he threw the ball like no other or like anyone had seen before.
His release has never been duplicated and was a thing of beauty, loved watching him throw the football
I was in Cincinnati during one of the Shula Bowl games and remember watching Marino in person. He threw an amazing ball, led his receivers perfectly, never put them in trouble.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:09 pm to sorantable
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:12 pm to oleyeller
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1. marinos age vs mannings age
2. healthy marino vs manning after triple nexk surgery where everyone said he would never play again.
Great points.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:24 pm to oleyeller
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1. marinos age vs mannings age
2. healthy marino vs manning after triple nexk surgery where everyone said he would never play again.
Those aren't arguments for how extraordinary the accomplishments are in general though. By your argument Brees or Rogers could have more TDs than Peyton next year but Manning would be the more impressive because he was older and more recently injured.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:43 pm to oleyeller
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im a HUGE marino fan but 2 things stick out in my mind
1. marinos age vs mannings age
2. healthy marino vs manning after triple nexk surgery where everyone said he would never play again.
It shows you how easy QBs have it today when a crippled Peyton Manning in the twilight of his career is putting up better numbers than he did in his prime with Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Brett Favre also put up better numbers at age 40 with the Vikings than he did during his MVP seasons with the Packers. Something's a little out of wack here.
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 12/24/13 at 9:50 pm to sorantable
Absolutely Marino's. That would be equivalent to 71 tds today.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:07 pm to Jake88
Marino and it's not close. He would own every single season QB passing record if his prime was from 2006-2014.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:13 pm to sorantable
Manning has a Super Bowl ring, so his is better.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:18 pm to Santa Claus
Santa has ruled
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:32 pm to Sophandros
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2nd place in 1984 was 32. 10th was 19: LINK
2nd place in 2013 is 35. 10th is 24: LINK
So when you take eras into consideration, Marino's is more impressive.
I agree that Marino's was more impressive ,but he benefited greatly from the 1978/79 major rule changes also:
1) Mel Blount rule allowed no reciver to be touched beyond 5 yards when previously you could hit them ANYWHERE on the field as long as the ball wasn't in the air.
2)78 or 79 linemen were allowed to legally 'hold' defensive players by extending their arms & grabbing them as long as hands stay inside shoulders.
The only reason more teams weren't as prolific passing then is because you still had hold over Coaches who still believed in 'Smash Mouth Football' as they called it in the 80's.
'Ground' Chuck Knox, Chuck Knoll, John Robinson,Bum Phillips,etc..were among the many holdovers who still .believed in hard nosed running/defense. Passing was a necessary evil to some of those old coaches.
Air Coryell , Bill Walsh, Sam Wyche ,etc...& others were more forward thinking & took better advantage of the rules.
Not to take away from Marino , but besides the RIDICULOUS extra crack down on receiver contact after 2004 the rules were already in place & being taken advantage of by some.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 10:38 pm to Kafka
I definitely am not trying to slight Manning's accomplishments and if he wins another SB he will go down as the all time greatest. But in this day and age Marino would be a beast. If he played today no one would ever touch his records. His passes looked like they were shot our of a laser guided cannon.
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:35 pm to offshoretrash
Joe Montana was a product of the system. Dan Marino was the system"-Bill Walsh.
Marino helped changed the game to what we basically have now. I would love to see him compete in today's NFL.
Marino helped changed the game to what we basically have now. I would love to see him compete in today's NFL.
This post was edited on 12/24/13 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 12/24/13 at 11:53 pm to sorantable
To be fair, the '84 Dolphins were pretty stacked as they also had the 6th best scoring defense that year.
But even still, Marino's season is way more impressive because nothing like that had ever been done before. 36 were the most in a season and that was in 1961.
But even still, Marino's season is way more impressive because nothing like that had ever been done before. 36 were the most in a season and that was in 1961.
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