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re: More impressive MJs two 3 peats or LBJs possible one?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:35 pm to BayouBengals03
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:35 pm to BayouBengals03
LeBron is better than Kobe. Kobe is better than Duncan.
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:39 pm to SabiDojo
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Kobe is better than Duncan.
He's really not.
Kobe hasn't shot over 47% in a single season in his ENTIRE career. When you consider the fact that a good amount of people call him a top 5-6 player of all-time, Kobe is one of the most overrated players of all-time.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:40 pm to BayouBengals03
Kobe should barely even be top 10 honestly.
He is definitely not top 5.
He is definitely not top 5.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:43 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:
He's really not.
He really is.
quote:
Kobe is one of the most overrated players of all-time.
He is, but so is Duncan.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:44 pm to Dr. Shultz
Kobe is fringe top 10. I've always said 9-12. He's basically the least efficient "all-time great" there is.
Jordan shot over 50% six times in his career. Besides his rookie year, Dwyane Wade has shot at least 47% every year but once in his career. These are also 2 guards.
Once again, Kobe hasn't shot over 47% one time. Ever. And he's played with great supporting casts. That really shouldn't happen. And he probably played at least half of his "prime" without Shaq, so you can't really blame it on the big man always clogging up the lane.
Jordan shot over 50% six times in his career. Besides his rookie year, Dwyane Wade has shot at least 47% every year but once in his career. These are also 2 guards.
Once again, Kobe hasn't shot over 47% one time. Ever. And he's played with great supporting casts. That really shouldn't happen. And he probably played at least half of his "prime" without Shaq, so you can't really blame it on the big man always clogging up the lane.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:46 pm to BayouBengals03
Ate you serious? Kobe logged WAY more minutes and attempted more shots. Of course he is likely to have a lower percentage. He scored more points and took really high percentage shots. Kobe is better than Duncan.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:47 pm to BayouBengals03
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LeBron is way better than Kobe.
Kobe had 3 rings by the time he was 24. Lebron has 2 rings and he's 29. Let's not forget Kobe also got 2 more rings by the time he was 32.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:48 pm to SabiDojo
Duncan has averaged over 30 minutes only one season over the past 5, I think.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:48 pm to AU4real35
quote:
Possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard... Sadly, a lot of people believe it...
Because while we loved the stars of yesteryear, we're not blinded by nostalgia.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:49 pm to trom83
Kobe had 3 rings by 24, but how many Finals MVP's did he have?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:49 pm to SabiDojo
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and attempted more shots. Of course he is likely to have a lower percentage.
How come Dwyane Wade, a comparable 2, shoots it so much better from the field?
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and took really high percentage shots.
The answer to my first question probably disproves this.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:50 pm to trom83
quote:
rings
alright
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:52 pm to BayouBengals03
Wade has been getting a lot more rest since LeBron arrived in Miami. Dude got to take almost 30 games off this season, and his minutes have dropped considerably since LeBron arrived.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:58 pm to SabiDojo
Wade isn't in his prime anymore. Neither is Kobe. I'm not really basing any comparison between the two on the last two or so years.
Kobe had a longer prime than Wade and is certainly the better all-time player because of that (and also because of his more consistent commitment to defense), yet Wade managed to shoot a higher percentage from the field AND get to the line more than Kobe year in and year out.
Like I said, Kobe is overrated to me. He really didn't take great shots. He settled for tough shots a lot. When he was hot, he was amazing. When he wasn't, he played a lot of hero ball and looked like Jordan without as many made baskets.
He didn't go to the hole enough.
Kobe had a longer prime than Wade and is certainly the better all-time player because of that (and also because of his more consistent commitment to defense), yet Wade managed to shoot a higher percentage from the field AND get to the line more than Kobe year in and year out.
Like I said, Kobe is overrated to me. He really didn't take great shots. He settled for tough shots a lot. When he was hot, he was amazing. When he wasn't, he played a lot of hero ball and looked like Jordan without as many made baskets.
He didn't go to the hole enough.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:03 pm to ForkEmDemons
quote:this is 100% nostalgia.
When Jordan won his first 3 there was probably the best talent in NBA history.
quote:never won anything
Pacers with Reggie Miller
quote:never won anything
Knicks with Ewing, Xavier McDaniel and Starks
quote:never won anything together
Magic with Shaq and Penny
quote:never played the bulls in the finals
Houston with Olajuwon and Horry
quote:never won anything
Suns with KJ, Barkley, Majerle
quote:old and shot by jordans prime
Lakers with Magic, Divac, Green, Scott, Worthy
quote:jesus. never won anything
Hornets with Grand ma ma Johnson, Mourning, Curry
quote:never won anything until duncan showed up
Spurs with David Robinson
quote:never won anything
Jazz with Malone and Stockton
quote:really? never won anything
Warriors with Mullin, Hardaway
quote:dear god, youre losing credibility. never won anything. this is like saying: the 2014 g state warriors are awesome!! look at all their great players!! yes, theyve won 1 playoff series in 2 years, but its a stacked team!!!
Cavs with Daugherty, Ehlo and Price
quote:never won anything
Hawks with Blaylock, Dominique and Augmon
quote:what about detlef schrempf? never won anything
Sonics with Kemp, Perkins and Payton
quote:this is your argument? these bums? where do they rank in this year's west? probably dont make the playoffs. never won anything
Even a bad Nuggets team had Mutumbo, Abdul-Rauf and a very solid Laphonso Ellis
quote:im sure in your best memories, it was awesome, but these teams exist today. they wear different jerseys with different names on the back, but its the same thing: capable, talented teams that arent good enough to beat the current, reigning power.
No matter how you look at it, this was a very stacked league with a great deal of balance that will probably never be seen again
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:04 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Well most of those teams never won anything because of Jordan.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:06 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
While I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with your side of the argument, to say that the league when Jordan was playing wasn't talented because none of the other teams won titles (ya know, because Jordan was winning them every year) is pretty silly.
ETA: The talent in the NBA from 2012-2014 was shite! None of those collections of players besides LeBron and the Heat ever won anything!
ETA: The talent in the NBA from 2012-2014 was shite! None of those collections of players besides LeBron and the Heat ever won anything!
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:12 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:it's the most important thing according to Jordan supporters. Old folk look back on that era like it was something special, but it wasn't. It was a great team, a few really good ones, and some big name, hollow teams. I mean, one argument is a Mutumbo, Abdul-Rauf and a very solid Laphonso Ellis team somehow raised the degree of difficulty in the early 90s
While I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with your side of the argument, to say that the league when Jordan was playing wasn't talented because none of the other teams won titles (ya know, because Jordan was winning them every year) is pretty silly.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:13 pm to BayouBengals03
That's the point Texas. They were great players who never won the title because of Jordan and compared to the teams today the league back then was much better top to bottom, which you still haven't disproved.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:13 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
I agree with your overall point, trust me. But the way you tried to argue it made no sense.
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