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re: More impressive MJs two 3 peats or LBJs possible one?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
First off, here's a picture of the best player of the past 15 years:
Not much different.
Secondly, records AREN'T being broken left and right. People keep saying that and I showed that the track records, which are raw athleticism, aren't. So now it's become a moving goalpost that the 10th place guy then couldn't beat the 10th place guy now. I'm not saying the 1990s guy would win every time, that's just as silly an argument, but I'm thinking they would be essentially even.
Tech has improved. Records that do get broken tend to get broken in sports that rely on tech, like swimming and the suits. So any hypothetical matchup between stars of today and now would have no tech advantage. Either old star would use today's tech or new stars would use old tech. Either way, that's not players being better now, that's better tech.
Players are pretty much the same. This great leap forward with athletes smashing records left and right isn't happening.
Not much different.
Secondly, records AREN'T being broken left and right. People keep saying that and I showed that the track records, which are raw athleticism, aren't. So now it's become a moving goalpost that the 10th place guy then couldn't beat the 10th place guy now. I'm not saying the 1990s guy would win every time, that's just as silly an argument, but I'm thinking they would be essentially even.
Tech has improved. Records that do get broken tend to get broken in sports that rely on tech, like swimming and the suits. So any hypothetical matchup between stars of today and now would have no tech advantage. Either old star would use today's tech or new stars would use old tech. Either way, that's not players being better now, that's better tech.
Players are pretty much the same. This great leap forward with athletes smashing records left and right isn't happening.
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:16 pm to Baloo
Duncan is not the best player of the past 15 years.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:23 pm to SabiDojo
I think he is. Anyway, he's been the best player on the best team, and he doesn't look different from McHale, does he?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:26 pm to Baloo
Duncan's skill set is much better than McHale's, and Duncan was more athletic.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:27 pm to SabiDojo
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More impressive
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LBJs possible one
Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:35 pm to Baloo
quote:First off, Tim Duncan is not the best player of the past 15 years. He's a very good player who has lasted a long time.
Not much different.
Secondly, records AREN'T being broken left and right. People keep saying that and I showed that the track records, which are raw athleticism, aren't. So now it's become a moving goalpost that the 10th place guy then couldn't beat the 10th place guy now. I'm not saying the 1990s guy would win every time, that's just as silly an argument, but I'm thinking they would be essentially even.
Tech has improved. Records that do get broken tend to get broken in sports that rely on tech, like swimming and the suits. So any hypothetical matchup between stars of today and now would have no tech advantage. Either old star would use today's tech or new stars would use old tech. Either way, that's not players being better now, that's better tech.
Players are pretty much the same. This great leap forward with athletes smashing records left and right isn't happening.
As for your point about records not being broken left and right...
There are 55 events in which there are world records in Track and Field.
33 of the world records have been set in the '00's.
18 still stand from the '90's.
Only 4 still stand from the '80's.
But as I and others have said.. it's not just about the top-end. Elite athletes will always be separated by the smallest of margins as these people reach peak human potential.
It's about the rest of the field improving these days compared to the past.
As somebody said... these days every 100m sprinter in the Olympics is running under 10 seconds.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
the East was so strong during Jordan's run, a team from the east didn't win a title until 2004, 5 years later
Good point.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:45 pm to Mohamed Ali
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The NBA is better now than it was during MJ's day - so I say Lebron's single three peat.
Possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard... Sadly, a lot of people believe it...
Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:46 pm to Baloo
There's another difference between Duncan and Mchale.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 5:48 pm to Baloo
quote:1. Duncan isn't the best of the last 15 years. There's a much easier case for Kobe, shaq, or LBJ.
I think he is. Anyway, he's been the best player on the best team, and he doesn't look different from McHale, does he?
2. Best team? Like 7 years ago?!? Seems like a vague statement for something so specific
3. The comparison with Mchale rings hollow bc it's not visual competition. Yes, they look similar in size, but Duncan was significantly more skilled. No one thought of Duncan as an enforcer like mchale was
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:53 pm to Mohamed Ali
I see your LeBron James, and raise you a Nate Thurmond.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:54 pm to PrimeTime Money
Who the frick is that? 
He's huge, but I doubt he could move like the players today. I could be wrong
He's huge, but I doubt he could move like the players today. I could be wrong
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:56 pm to Mohamed Ali
He actually didn't weigh that much.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:56 pm to Mohamed Ali
Nate Thurmond.
From Wiki:
"Dominant at both center and power forward, he was a seven-time All-Star and the first player in NBA history to record an official quadruple-double.
Thurmond remains one of the greatest rebounders and shot blockers ever, named both a member of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame and one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History.
Known to fans as "Nate the Great",[1] Thurmond has had his #42 jersey retired by both the Golden State Warriors and Cleveland Cavaliers franchises.[2]"
From Wiki:
"Dominant at both center and power forward, he was a seven-time All-Star and the first player in NBA history to record an official quadruple-double.
Thurmond remains one of the greatest rebounders and shot blockers ever, named both a member of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame and one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History.
Known to fans as "Nate the Great",[1] Thurmond has had his #42 jersey retired by both the Golden State Warriors and Cleveland Cavaliers franchises.[2]"
Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:57 pm to SabiDojo
Yeah, he's actually not huge. He's got some pretty skinny legs and his constant "pumped" look from his low body fat made him appear bigger than he actually was.
He's so cut though.
He's so cut though.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:00 pm to PrimeTime Money
Yeah, dude was listed at 220 or something like that. AT 6'11", that is rather scrawny by today's NBA standards.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:06 pm to SabiDojo
Those stats are wrong. He might have weighed 220 when he first entered the league, but he's bigger than that in the picture I posted.
A lot of the weights from the old players are wrong as listed. You can find newspaper articles listing more recent weights, and later in his career he was listed at 245.
Still not huge, but not 220.
A lot of the weights from the old players are wrong as listed. You can find newspaper articles listing more recent weights, and later in his career he was listed at 245.
Still not huge, but not 220.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:08 pm to PrimeTime Money
Well, we can only go by what's recorded, not conjecture.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:09 pm to SabiDojo
Just so I will know. What constitutes today's NBA. Just want to know when it became impossible for guys from the past to possibly compete with players of today.
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