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re: MLB Trade Deadline News: Mets get Cespedes, Cubs Hunter Padres LOL
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:08 am to reddman
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:08 am to reddman
Understood but they won't be able to afford an extension and he becomes less valuable as he has fewer years of control. And regresses to the mean a bit. Loyalty and listening to the fans is how you end up with shitty, long term deals. Something the Reds know something about.
And look at the cardinals. Pujols was one of he best players they've ever had and one of the best players of this era. They low balled him in free agency and their fans were pissed. Now it's obviously a great move. The Reds can actually get value back (and a lot of it) for Frazier. The Reds will be terrible with or without him.
And look at the cardinals. Pujols was one of he best players they've ever had and one of the best players of this era. They low balled him in free agency and their fans were pissed. Now it's obviously a great move. The Reds can actually get value back (and a lot of it) for Frazier. The Reds will be terrible with or without him.
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:13 am to emmanuellewis
I'm not saying they shouldn't eventually explore moving Frazier. But not after you just sent Cueto packing, and probably Bruce after today.
ETA: At the earliest, evaluate his value at the trade deadline next year.
ETA: At the earliest, evaluate his value at the trade deadline next year.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 9:14 am
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:14 am to emmanuellewis
quote:disagree... Pujols has still been one of the best 1B in baseball with the Angels. Now is he worth what the gave? No but it hasn't been as horrible as many would like us to believe. Outside of 2013 he has been a 4 wins above replacement player.
Now it's obviously a great move.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:15 am to reddman
Cueto, Leake, Chapman, Bruce, and Frazier but they keep Phillips the fans would revolt, they would have issues selling 5k tickets to games the rest of the season.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:16 am to reddman
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New York, though, has been said to be unwilling to part with top prospects Luis Severino, Aaron Judge, Greg Bird and Jorge Mateo in talks for Kimbrel, so it would stand to reason that they’re reluctant to do with Chapman as well,
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:17 am to tduecen
Not to beat a dead horse but given what the Pirates and Nats paid for closers the relief market CLEARLY isn't worth that.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:17 am to reddman
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ETA: At the earliest, evaluate his value at the trade deadline next year.
It will very likely be a lot lower. Rockies did the same thing with Tulo. They trade him last year, he would have brought back way more.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:20 am to The Seaward
disagree, but we will never know, the way teams value prospects now has hurt what is being traded imo. No one is willing to discuss their top guys it seems.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:20 am to The Seaward
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It will very likely be a lot lower.
The money they are making off of Frazier merchandise and the guaranteed drop in ticket sales if they move him probably outweighs the value drop over the next year.
Its not just about wins. Money is always the key factor.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:21 am to tduecen
Pujs is still a good player but is 35 and owed 6 years and 165 million. That is a bad deal. Hell, I love votto and he is on fire but his contract is ridiculous. Look at his numbers right now. The best the Reds could get for him is nothing with the Reds paying off some of his salary.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:26 am to tduecen
First, no one wants Phillips. The Reds would also get nothing and have to throw in cash for his salary. Second, attendance is going to drop already. They are already trading a bunch of guys (and salary). Third, the attendance wi drop further as the Reds suck for the next few years with or without Frazier. They should maximize his value as much as they can since they won't be contending.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:26 am to reddman
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David Lennon@DPLennon
#Mets working on Bruce, but told not the only option in mix right now. Not sure who else.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:28 am to reddman
I still don't get moving Bruce.
Bruce, Votto, and Frazier are a nice core for next two season. Does trading Bruce mean you are waiving the white flag for next 2 seasons, and you are pissing away
I don't think you can find a bat like that at his price.
Bruce, Votto, and Frazier are a nice core for next two season. Does trading Bruce mean you are waiving the white flag for next 2 seasons, and you are pissing away
I don't think you can find a bat like that at his price.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:29 am to The Godfather
Man I hope the Mets go full Met and take on some terrible contract that derails what has been a really good rebuild
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 9:31 am
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:30 am to Broseph Barksdale
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Man I hope the Mets go full Met and take on some terrible contract that details what has been a really good rebuild
you shut your whore mouth
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:30 am to Broseph Barksdale
Looks like Parra to Baltimore
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:31 am to emmanuellewis
quote:teams I am sure want him, several teams are weak at 2B and he would upgrade him. They just don't want his salary unless the Reds each some of it.
no one wants Phillips.
quote:it will but not as bad as if they gave up EVERYONE, Frazier has more draw power than Votto because he hits home runs.
attendance is going to drop already
quote:Depends on who they get in return, how Homer Bailey returns, etc, etc, etc
he attendance wi drop further as the Reds suck for the next few years with or without Frazier.
I mean after the Braves fire sale this offseason we (on this board) expected them to have the worst record in baseball. Instead they are 10 games out of the second wild card slot, far removed from worst record in baseball.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:35 am to reddman
I would listen to offers for Frazier in the offseason and would want the Reds to ask for a lot. The good thing about having 2 years of control is that they aren't under any deadline. The value coming back will be less as he approaches free agency (and possibly regresses) but they can still get good pieces.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:37 am to Toula
Bruce doesn't really make sense. Granderson will have to play CF and they are already LH heavy
If you're going to take a red I don't see why they don't go after Byrd. Surely cheaper than Bruce and at least brings a RH bat
If you're going to take a red I don't see why they don't go after Byrd. Surely cheaper than Bruce and at least brings a RH bat
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:38 am to GynoSandberg
Yeah, I forgot to even mention that earlier. They've got Duda and Grandy already. Bruce seems like overkill, and it blocks Conforto for even longer.
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