re: MLB Needs to take away the Marlins from Jeffery Loria

I predicted this shite would happen when Yelich signed his deal

Loria is the worst, and if they falter next season, the fire sale will come.

you would call him the best pitcher in baseball? over clayton? we are not talking about one of the best, he most certainly is, but the best

i mean i never argued that he wasnt one of the best pitchers in baseball, just that he wasnt the best. we are talking about someone who has only put one full season together. he hasnt even reached 200 innings in a single season yet

well see. clayton is still only 27 years old. he still has at least 5 more years of pure dominant pitching

eh, their strikeout rates are pretty similar. at least, in the same range as their walk rates. jose may strikeout a few more batters but he walks a few more as well. i can see jose being considered the best pitcher in baseball in like 5 seasons, but right now, and at least for the next few seasons in the future, its clayton

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Career they both have 2.7 per 9 walk rates
Jose has a 10.4 k rate to Kershaw 9.7 k rate.

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since 2011 claytons walk per 9 is 1.9. joses career is 2.7. right now hes walking 2.17, his career best. clayton has beaten that 4 times and over 200 innings each time except for 2014 when he pitched 198 innings

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I think Jose will be the better pitcher sooner than you expect. He is that good for only being 23.

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yea probably, kind of hard to compare the two age 23 seasons since jose missed so much of this season but clayton was a cy young winner by his age 23 season and won the pitching triple crown that year. joses age 21 season was better than claytons.

i guess my whole point is that he is not the best pitcher in baseball right now. i fully expect him to be, but clayton is right now, and i think will be over at least the next three seasons

Fernandez's command will be better in 2016. It usually takes around 18 months for command to fully return after TJ. Fernandez is not very far away from being as good as Kershaw. It would not be shocking if he passed in a short period of time because pitchers are so volatile. Kershaw is more likely to have a decrease in velocity in the next year or two compared to Fernandez.

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Right, but that's kind of standard, or at least standard enough to have a name. I meant special as in out of the norm because of the obvious screw job he's getting.

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When does it end?


The rule is 3 years of service time. But some guys were getting major screw jobs so they added the super 2 designation for those guys. Now you want to add a super 1.5?


ETA, I meant the rule is 3 years

There has to be some cut off

sure, it could happen. pitching is pitching and clayton can get hurt and then never be the same. but im just personally not counting on that happening for at least the next three seasons

i think people are somehow undervaluing how incredible clayton has been. he has the lowest ERA and FIP for anyone who has pitched in the last like 100 years who has pitched at least 1000 innings. he has the second best career adjusted ERA for any starter who has ever pitched at least 1000 innings, ever. to assume that he will lose his stuff after only his age 27 season when he has literally been, statistically, like the greatest pitcher to pitch over the past 100 years is just a little too much. but its pitching, and it could happen. i would agree to that. i guess im just saying that im not counting on it