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re: MLB approves no-pitch IBB for 2017 pending union approval
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:23 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:23 pm to Jcorye1
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On one hand I hate changing things just to change things, but on the other it's insanely rare for anything of note to actually happen on an intentional walk.
True but they also happen infrequently enough that this isn't going to do hardly anything to speed up the game.
You want something that will 100% make it faster? Stop pausing the game in the 7th to sing God Bless America. We already have the National Anthem at the start of the games. Do we really need to stop everything for more rah rah patriotism that, if we're all being honest, was only institutionalized by MLB in a crass marketing move to appeal to the frick YEAR MERICA feels post 9/11?
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:24 pm to ProjectP2294
Pitch clock, force the batter stay in the box and eliminate pitching coach visits. If MLB really wants to speed up the game, do away with the pot bellied coach taking a 20 second stroll to the mound for a chat and then waiting for the umpire to come out and run him off.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:26 pm to sicboy
It's pretty sad that millinials are too stupid to enjoy the greatest game of all.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:28 pm to Madking
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It's pretty sad that millinials are too stupid to enjoy the greatest game of all.
Blame their parents who never got them into the game in the first place. Usually if a person doesn't grow up watching or playing a sport they won't care for it as an adult.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:29 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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force the batter stay in the box
This is already on the books as a pace of play rule, not enforced after year one.
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If MLB really wants to speed up the game, do away with the pot bellied coach taking a 20 second stroll to the mound for a chat and then waiting for the umpire to come out and run him off.
On the books already is 30 seconds from the granting of time. The manager lollygagging is supposed to not matter. This is also not rigorously enforced. A rule change I would like to see explored is that a change must be made at the time time is granted. Right now we have a coach walking out, using the 30 seconds then making the call. We could speed it up by requiring changes be made immediately upon the granting of time.
Stoppages like this don't do much for the fan or the game quite honestly. That's why we should put things in that move the game along.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:45 pm to therick711
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The specialization is a recent phenomenon. If you fancy yourself a purist, this would actually be closer to the way the game was played throughout its history.
There was not a rule that forbid switching pitchers in the middle of the inning. Yes specialization is a newer addition to the game, but if a player is getting shelled, you should be able to make a substitution and allow the substituting pitcher some warm-up throws. As stated before, warm up throws in that situation are not to get the pitcher loose, but to get him acclimated to the pitcher's mound as opposed to the bullpen. we're talking a minute to switch pitchers. This is not going to amount to more than a few minutes of gametime.
And all of this "speeding up the game" stuff isn't going to somehow make the game itself be played faster. Cutting down total minutes does not change the pace of the game itself. Baseball will always be a slow meticulous game. It is what it is. Pitchers are still going to step off the mound when a runner is on base. Pitchers will still attempt to pick off runners. Batters will step out if a pitcher is taking to long to throw. There really is nothing you can do to make baseball into a sport that it is not unless you just want to have a homerun derby replace the sport.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:48 pm to lsufball19
I always just grab a beer while the pitcher lobs his four up to the plate. I never had a problem with it.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:54 pm to lsufball19
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And all of this "speeding up the game" stuff isn't going to somehow make the game itself be played faster. Cutting down total minutes does not change the pace of the game itself. Baseball will always be a slow meticulous game. It is what it is. Pitchers are still going to step off the mound when a runner is on base. Pitchers will still attempt to pick off runners. Batters will step out if a pitcher is taking to long to throw. There really is nothing you can do to make baseball into a sport that it is not unless you just want to have a homerun derby replace the sport.
Recent efforts on pace of play focus on eliminating things with little or no value to the fan. No one gets value from a thirty second conference before a change is made. The mind game stuff adds drama. The perfunctory things like warm up throws and mound visits don't. Then you have things like pitch clocks when the bases are empty which have had great results. Doesn't jeopardize the drama and moves the game along (frick you, Steve Trachsel). There are plenty of things that can be done as fan service that have limited impact on the actual game. That's what mlb is trying to do.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:55 pm to therick711
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The perfunctory things like warm up throws and mound visits don't.
should we eliminate time outs in other sports because they're boring for the fans?
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No one gets value from a thirty second conference before a change is made.
the pitcher warming up does
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 3:05 pm to lsufball19
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should we eliminate time outs in other sports because they're boring for the fans?
Most sports have a limit on timeouts, no?
Posted on 2/22/17 at 3:06 pm to therick711
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Most sports have a limit on timeouts, no?
baseball does too, no? If you make more than one mound visit, you have to make a sub, correct?
and how many mound visits do you think there are in a baseball game, on average? More or less than the 18 total timeouts teams have combined in a college basketball game (5 timeouts for each team plus 4 TV timeouts per half)?
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 3:11 pm to lsufball19
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baseball does too, no? If you make more than one mound visit, you have to make a sub, correct?
What about stepping off the rubber and team only stoppages? Also, I know of no sport that offers 9 timeouts.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 3:54 pm to therick711
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Also, I know of no sport that offers 9 timeouts.
I don't know if I've ever seen a baseball game that included a mound visit every inning either. I see basketball games have 18 timeouts almost every game though
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What about stepping off the rubber and team only stoppages?
What about the 30+ seconds between every single football play? What about the stoppages every time a foul is called or there's an out of bounds play? What about stoppages in college football every time there's a TV timeout or a review? Do you think that accounts for more or less time than mound visits do in basbeall, or really any stoppages in baseball? Baseball games, on average, last nearly an hour less time than a college football game does. They last about the same as an NFL football game and a little longer than an average basketball game.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 4:14 pm to lsufball19
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What about the 30+ seconds between every single football play? What about the stoppages every time a foul is called or there's an out of bounds play? What about stoppages in college football every time there's a TV timeout or a review? Do you think that accounts for more or less time than mound visits do in basbeall, or really any stoppages in baseball? Baseball games, on average, last nearly an hour less time than a college football game does. They last about the same as an NFL football game and a little longer than an average basketball game.
This is the crux of it. Baseball is too slow and boring for some people. Fine if that's the way you feel. But somehow, the untimed game of baseball manages to produce an event that takes approximately 3hrs on average to finish. Football at the college and NFL level are limited to 60 minutes (in regulation, obviously). Somehow, it takes them 3hrs on average to finish.
Football takes 3 times longer than it's "time limit" to finish. Basketball takes about twice as long as it's time limit. But baseball is the sport with a pace of play issue.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 4:26 pm to Wayne Campbell
Look, I get what baseball is trying to do. They see that it is losing popularity. But, in my opinion, there is nothing baseball can do to change the fact that this generation does not have the patience or attention level to enjoy baseball. Without completely changing the entire sport to something else, no rule change that has been proposed is going to change that. All these rule changes will do is adversely affect the game. They are not going to somehow draw more people into watching baseball because they don't have as many mound visits, have a pitch clock, get rid of the intentional walk, etc.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 5:11 pm to lsufball19
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But, in my opinion, there is nothing baseball can do to change the fact that this generation does not have the patience or attention level to enjoy baseball. Without completely changing the entire sport to something else, no rule change that has been proposed is going to change that.
That isn't true though. The game has evolved in a bad way recently (for mass consumption, I still consume it as a diehard). MLB Network did a great job illustrating it during a great segment during the playoffs. They showed clips from high leverage situations in playoff games in the 80s. Regularly, pitches were conducted between 18-19 seconds one after the other. In similarly leveraged situations in the playoffs in recent seasons, pitchers were taking between 34-44 seconds between pitches. MLB wants to try and get its pace back to what it was for most of its existence. They may not be able to do it, but I think it is a worthy endeavor.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 5:45 pm to therick711
But see, I don't think time between pitches is what has turned people off of baseball. I'm not going to dispute facts the people at the MLB network obviously tracked. But I think it's the nature of the sport itself just doesn't resonate with younger people now. They like the flash and excitement the NBA and NFL bring that baseball just can't. i think what is lacking is marquee players and players chasing records. The steroid era saved baseball after the strike and the ensuing effort to punish steroid users and distance themselves from it killed baseball. A good number of the better players in baseball the past 10 years or so have been universally vilified by the baseball community, whether it be Bonds or Arod or Clemmons. And the media and investigations basically tarnished Sammy Sosa and McGwire's 1998 season, which was probably the peak of baseball the last 25 years.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 6:13 pm to sicboy
It's not a big deal but it pisses me off still. Congrats on saving 30 seconds
Posted on 2/22/17 at 6:54 pm to Master of Sinanju
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The best way to save time is to make foul balls count for third strikes. How boring is it to watch an at bat go pitch after pitch, foul after foul...
Driving up a good starter's pitch count is a key part of the game
Posted on 2/22/17 at 7:18 pm to sicboy
You should have to earn it. That saves what, 30 seconds a game? 
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