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re: MLB approves no-pitch IBB for 2017 pending union approval
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:26 am to 1ranter1
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:26 am to 1ranter1
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But the intentional walk is a complete waste of time and this is the first step in the right direction. Hopefully this can open the doors for next offseason when the players union can't shite on every idea to speed up the game.
so is taking a knee in football. Might as well just let a team concede taking a knee and just run the clock after the concession. I mean fumbling the snap only happens once in a blue moon, what's the point of making teams go through the motion of snapping the ball?
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:27 am to sicboy
Pretty sure backyard baseball had this rule in use like 20 years ago 
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:33 am to sicboy
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Getting rid of the old-fashioned intentional walk would eliminate about a minute of dead time per walk. In an age in which intentional walks actually have been declining -- there were just 932 all last season (or one every 2.6 games) -- that time savings would be minimal. But MLB saw the practice of lobbing four meaningless pitches as antiquated.
Stupid. Making changes just for the sake of making changes
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:36 am to sicboy
The best way to save time is to make foul balls count for third strikes. How boring is it to watch an at bat go pitch after pitch, foul after foul...
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:42 am to lsufball19
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so is taking a knee in football. Might as well just let a team concede taking a knee and just run the clock after the concession. I mean fumbling the snap only happens once in a blue moon, what's the point of making teams go through the motion of snapping the ball?
Snapping the ball is a normal motion of every play and waste no additional time.
having the pitcher stand on the rubber and throw to the catcher chest high 10 feet left of the plate isn't.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:43 am to Master of Sinanju
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The best way to save time is to make foul balls count for third strikes. How boring is it to watch an at bat go pitch after pitch, foul after foul...
and kill offense, no thanks
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:49 am to Master of Sinanju
In the 19th century, balls caught on a hop counted as outs. MLB should look into that, too.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:59 am to Master of Sinanju
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The best way to save time is to make foul balls count for third strikes.
That would be the worst rule change ever. Offense would go in the shitter.
I think the biggest thing they could do to save time is to eliminate the warm up tosses a relief pitcher gets when summoned from the bullpen in the middle of an inning (unless it's an injury replacement). What's he been doing down there the whole time? No other sport stops the game and allows substitutes time to practice/warm up on the field of play.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:19 pm to Master of Sinanju
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The best way to save time is to make foul balls count for third strikes. How boring is it to watch an at bat go pitch after pitch, foul after foul...
You obviously can't change the game this much, but Steve Phillips made a pretty good case one day on the radio for just going to 3 ball walks and 2 strike outs based on some count percentages he had.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:23 pm to sicboy
Make it illegal for the batter to adjust his batting gloves and take practice swings after every pitch if you really want to speed the game up.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:24 pm to medtiger
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I think the biggest thing they could do to save time is to eliminate the warm up tosses a relief pitcher gets when summoned from the bullpen in the middle of an inning (unless it's an injury replacement). What's he been doing down there the whole time? No other sport stops the game and allows substitutes time to practice/warm up on the field of play.
throwing from the bullpen is not the same as throwing from the mound. The depth perception alone should afford a player some warm up pitches. They're only permitted 8 warm up pitches or 1 minute of time as is, which is completely reasonable
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(b) (8.03) Warm-Up Pitches When a pitcher takes his position at the beginning of each inning, or when he relieves another pitcher, he shall be permitted to pitch not to exceed eight preparatory pitches to his catcher during which play shall be suspended. A league by its own action may limit the number of preparatory pitches to less than eight preparatory pitches. Such preparatory pitches shall not consume more than one minute of time. If a sudden emergency causes a pitcher to be summoned into the game without any opportunity to warm up, the umpire-in-chief shall allow him as many pitches as the umpire deems necessary.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:27 pm to medtiger
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eliminate the warm up tosses a relief pitcher gets when summoned from the bullpen in the middle of an inning
This would be great. I don't know about eliminating all warm up throws. Two or three to get a feel of the mound would be ok, but no reason they should need the full 8 (I think that's what they get now?)
I'd like to see a study on warm up pitches and injuries to starting pitchers. Do they really need the full 8 to "warm up" every inning? Or is that just adding more pitches to their arm (I know it's not the same stress as an in game pitch, but it's still a pitch). For a pitcher who throws 200 innings a year, that's 1600 extra pitches! Cut the number of warm up pitches from 8 to 5 and it's 600 less pitches, a whole 5 or 6 games worth. And with the way pretty much every new stadium is designed, it would be fairly easy for a pitcher to keep his arm loose in the dugout if 5 warm up pitches isn't enough.
Cutting 3 warm up pitches every half inning would probably shorten games by 10-15 minutes.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:41 pm to sicboy
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:50 pm to 1ranter1
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More like 15 hours.
So the total hours of games played over a season will go from 7290 to 7275. Real meaningful rule change.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:51 pm to Wayne Campbell
So, will IBBs no longer be charged to pitcher? How will the stat work?
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:59 pm to barry
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having the pitcher stand on the rubber and throw to the catcher
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is a normal motion of every play
If they really wanted to speed up the game, they'd institute a full fledged pitch clock. With a ball or strike being assessed depending on who causes the delay.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:12 pm to Wayne Campbell
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If they really wanted to speed up the game, they'd institute a full fledged pitch clock. With a ball or strike being assessed depending on who causes the delay.
This is much more practical, and they have done this in college baseball and minor league baseball. This would help speed up the game much more than getting rid of Intentional walks
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:49 pm to lsufball19
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throwing from the bullpen is not the same as throwing from the mound. The depth perception alone should afford a player some warm up pitches. They're only permitted 8 warm up pitches or 1 minute of time as is, which is completely reasonable
You could make the argument that a rule change like this encourages pitching changes at the beginning of innings (good) by allowing throws and discourages mid-inning changes (also good). By favoring one type of substitution over the other, you might speed up the game a bit. It may also cut down on the multiple match up pitching changes that make late innings really lag.
I'd also like to see mound visits reviewed. Maybe you limit visits that don't require a substitution similar to timeouts, give a finite amount.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:03 pm to therick711
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You could make the argument that a rule change like this encourages pitching changes at the beginning of innings (good) by allowing throws and discourages mid-inning changes (also good). By favoring one type of substitution over the other, you might speed up the game a bit. It may also cut down on the multiple match up pitching changes that make late innings really lag.
Why would you encourage that? That would completely change the game itself. You don't just change whatever rules would cut down on the time of the game if the rule completely changes the game.
Regardless, the average length of a MLB baseball game is 2 hours and 52 minutes. What's the problem
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:09 pm to lsufball19
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Why would you encourage that? That would completely change the game itself.
It wouldn't completely change the game itself. The game was played like that for most of its existence. The specialization is a recent phenomenon. If you fancy yourself a purist, this would actually be closer to the way the game was played throughout its history. I think you would want to encourage pitching changes at the beginning of the inning because you have built in breaks for the side changes, instead of during the inning where the action comes to a screeching halt.
This type of rule change doesn't take anything away. You can still change pitchers in the middle of the inning. You just don't get the 8 courtesy tosses from the mound if you do so. Those would be reserved for favored substitutions.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 2:10 pm
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