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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:45 am to justice
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he was the goat when it comes to hitting.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:46 am to sms151t
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I do not think Trout is the best player right now playing and by that reason, he will not be considered.
Just curious, who do you think is currently better? I assume Harper or Kershaw.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:48 am to The Seaward
Harper
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:51 am to barry
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Mike Trout's best OPS+(measures how good your OPS is compared to your peers)season so far would rank as the 16th best season v. Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth is the GOAT among GOATS.
quote:quote:he was the goat when it comes to hitting.
you think Bonds is the GOAT.quote:
OPS+ Season Records
1. Barry Bonds 268 (2002)
2. Barry Bonds 263 (2004)
3. Barry Bonds 259 (2001)
4. Fred Dunlap 256 (1884)
5. Babe Ruth 255 (1920)
6. Babe Ruth 239 (1923)
7. Babe Ruth 238 (1921)
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:56 am to goldenbadger08
Career OPS+
1. Babe Ruth 206
2. Ted Williams 190
3. Barry Bonds 182
1. Babe Ruth 206
2. Ted Williams 190
3. Barry Bonds 182
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:57 am to goldenbadger08
Baseball became such a different game in the 70 years between Ruth and Bonds, that I think it is nearly impossible to say one was definitively better than the other.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:57 am to barry
Ted Williams, if not for missing like 5 prime seasons due to WW2, might have passed Babe Ruth in all cumulative categories on offense.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:58 am to goldenbadger08
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1. Barry Bonds 268 (2002) (ROIDS)
2. Barry Bonds 263 (2004) (ROIDS)
3. Barry Bonds 259 (2001) (ROIDS)
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:59 am to The Seaward
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Baseball became such a different game in the 70 years between Ruth and Bonds, that I think it is nearly impossible to say one was definitively better than the other.
Yea Babe Ruth was dominated baseball with booze and cigars. Bonds did it with steroids and modern training.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:59 am to barry
quote:
Career OPS+
1. Babe Ruth 206
2. Ted Williams 190
3. Barry Bonds 182
9. Mike Trout
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:59 am to goldenbadger08
quote:steroids
1. Barry Bonds 268 (2002)
2. Barry Bonds 263 (2004)
3. Barry Bonds 259 (2001)
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:00 am to theunknownknight
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Ted Williams, if not for missing like 5 prime seasons due to WW2, might have passed Babe Ruth in all cumulative categories on offense.
Exactly, Mr. Casual baseball fan coming in and declaring bonds the goat is a joke.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:04 am to theunknownknight
I wonder if we could say about Ruth, I mean he gave up 5 and 1/2 years pitching, imagine if he was a full-time hitter then...
However, Williams missed time in his early 20's (24-26 age seasons) and then late in his career (34-35 seasons.) It is a given he hits 600 home runs had he played those seasons and I'm certain he would have finished close to 4k hits.
However, Williams missed time in his early 20's (24-26 age seasons) and then late in his career (34-35 seasons.) It is a given he hits 600 home runs had he played those seasons and I'm certain he would have finished close to 4k hits.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:08 am to lsufball19
Agree.....
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:08 am to barry
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Exactly, Mr. Casual baseball fan coming in and declaring bonds the goat is a joke
And you are coming across like Mr. Stat-Nerd who thinks that he knows everything and believes stats and metrics are the end all be all.
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:10 am to sms151t
Barry Bonds was the most feared hitter in baseball history for a 2-3 year stretch. And even the stats back it up
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:16 am to sms151t
The MSB has become a house of worship for things like WAR (or PER/VORP in hoops), and everything else is derided as archaic eyeball test. I don't have much problem with that in baseball, but acting like a triple crown MVP is an injustice because it falls outside of some WAR metrics is
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:23 am to Bunk Moreland
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but acting like a triple crown MVP is an injustice because it falls outside of some WAR metrics is
The problem with the triple crown is that two of the three stats are pretty much useless. Things like defense/position/OBP are way more important in determining a player’s value than RBIs and AVG.
You have to be a great hitter to win the triple crown, and it is a cool feat for historical purposes, but it shouldn't make someone a stone cold lock to win MVP.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/27/16 at 11:26 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:Sure, but acting like it would be an automatic injustice for a Triple Crown winner to NOT win MVP is equally laughable.
but acting like a triple crown MVP is an injustice because it falls outside of some WAR metrics is
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