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re: McShay's top five for the '14 NFL Draft
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:07 pm to Ed Wuncler III
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:07 pm to Ed Wuncler III
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this year he just always threw it up to Mike Evans.
This is a huge misconception. Evans was pretty much a non-factor in many of his games this year.
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My biggest knock on Manziel is his pocket feel. An time he feels a bit of pressure he runs out.
Ehhh, I think his feel for the open WR is incredible. He'll definitely have to be in a system where the coach can help refine him, but I think his pocket feel is better than Kaep and RGIII's when they came out. I liken him more to Vick.
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When he plays against fast defenses he gets chased and makes poor decisions
He gets too greedy at times, similar to Favre. Not defending it, it's still a problem, but for the most part, he plays balls to the wall.
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Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:08 pm to Rand AlThor
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really wish JFF could go anywhere besides the forever doomed Browns.
I wish he could go to a team that has good pieces in place. I think he could do some fricking damage at a place like Minny, Tampa Bay, or even Houston.
The browns isn't all bad with Cameron and Gordon though.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:11 pm to Moustache
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This is a huge misconception. Evans was pretty much a non-factor in many of his games this year.
I shouldn't have said always, but my main point is he hates taking sacks. I think he could end up being a decent starting qb in a couple years but he's way too wild to start immediately
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:13 pm to JBeam
Bridgewater's definitely the better QB, but the pressure will be there for the Texans to take JFF. Hometown factor and all.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:22 pm to Moustache
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Manziel has an above average arm. He can make every throw. You're not talking about a Colt Mccoy or Chad Pennington arm here.
I never said he has a weak arm, I said he doesnt really have a strong arm. How many times have you seen him throw a rope to an intermediate post, a deep back shoulder route or even a seam route? A&M doesnt usually run a full pro route tree offense so it is tough to tell if Manziel can make all the throws because they dont really ask him to. TAMU uses a lot of shallow crossing routes, deep ins, out routes and straight line rail routes.
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Manziel's accuracy is incredible. I think you're confusing bad decision with accuracy. He is a gunslingler (i.e. risk taker) to a fault.
ehhh, would you want to bet money on him consistently putting it over the LB and in front of the safety from the pocket with bodies all around him?
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He is pretty damn athletic like Kaep and his deep ball is incredibly accurate.
Mike Evans makes him look pretty good too
FTR I am not against JFF, I think there are real position questions about him that have nothing to do with being cocky or 6'1 or friends with drake or whatever other BS we are talking about
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:31 pm to Moustache
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He's prone to accuracy problems because he doesn't set his feet and rushes his throws because he doesn't want to get hit.
Jaws did a thing on RGIII a while back and compared film of him pre and post injury. We know how much he struggled with accuracy post injury but Jaws showed how crappy he was pre-injury as well. Dude has terrible mechanics, the knee injury just took his blinding speed away and now we see the worst case scenario for Washington. A super athletic QB that isn't really athletic any more. A guy that has ZERO concept of reading defenses post snap and going through progressions.
This is what used to drive me nuts about Jordan Jefferson. On a called throw, he was usually alright. If the called throw was taken away, JJ was basically fricked. There was rarely a second and never a third option. This is why LSU never "opened up the offense" with JJ, there was no way that dude was ever to be trusted with a wide scale offense.
RGIII is also OK on designated throws but if that play isnt there and he cant run fast any more WTF is he going to do?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:55 pm to Godfather1
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but the pressure will be there for the Texans to take JFF. Hometown factor and all.
They didn't give in and take VY.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:07 pm to Moustache
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They didn't give in and take VY.
Different decision makers than the current regime.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:16 pm to ThisWayChad
quote:i dont think theres that much pressure. and i love watching manziel play, hes a terrific watch. as most texans fans know, bob mcnair is the one calling the biggest shots, and hes still there. i think he'll do what he did last time-- try and get the best player for the franchise's long term success.
but the pressure will be there for the Texans to take JFF. Hometown factor and all.
They didn't give in and take VY.
Different decision makers than the current regime.
and as a fan, i am cool with whoever they take, b/c i am assuming they wont take a QB unless BO'B says its who he wants.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:23 pm to supatigah
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How many times have you seen him throw a rope to an intermediate post
Back Shoulder route at 1:26
Deep Out 6:29
Arm looks pretty good here
Deep Post. Accurately ON THE RUN
Post at 8:47
and that's just from two games.
I think JFF makes evans look good too. Evans was a nonfactor against Duke and most of the late season.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:26 pm to supatigah
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ehhh, would you want to bet money on him consistently putting it over the LB and in front of the safety from the pocket with bodies all around him?
I wouldn't put money on anyone not named Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Rivers, or Luck to do that consistently.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:45 pm to Moustache
I haven't seen it mentioned in here, but I think the Texans should take Clowney. I think he will be a huge force in the NFL and you can pretty much lock down two of the best pass rushers in the league with Clowney and Watt. I know the Texans need a QB, but QB is deep this year and I don't see anyone worthy of the #1 pick at the moment. Take Clowney and address the QB position with the 33rd pick.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Just can't see Manziel going that high. He's a high risk/reward guy and I'd like to hear how he does at pro days and the combine.
A ton of people think he will be a flop in the NFL. But it doesnt change the fact he is a ticket seller.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:50 pm to OutofTownAlumni
Not if hes terrible
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:59 pm to wildtigercat93
If Watkins is available at #4 and the browns don't take him I'll be pretty pissed. I'll be even more livid if they spend it on JFF. Get Watkins as insurance against Gordon's dumb pot smoking arse. He's one doobie away from being gone for the year. If they insist on drafting JFF then use the late first round pick. I think he'll still be there. Draft a RB in the second round to compliment Dion Lewis.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:03 pm to dlmast87
Still think it would be a mistake picking a reciever that high due to how deep the WR class is, especially if youre talking "insurance" for Gordon
I also wouldnt take a WR top 5 unless hes a 6'5 redzone freak like megatron, but thats just me
I also wouldnt take a WR top 5 unless hes a 6'5 redzone freak like megatron, but thats just me
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:04 pm to dlmast87
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If Watkins is available at #4 and the browns don't take him I'll be pretty pissed. I'll be even more livid if they spend it on JFF. Get Watkins as insurance against Gordon's dumb pot smoking arse. He's one doobie away from being gone for the year. If they insist on drafting JFF then use the late first round pick. I think he'll still be there. Draft a RB in the second round to compliment Dion Lewis.
Huge mistake IMO
The WR class is so deep this year. The Browns already have a superstar WR, no need to waste a top 5 hoping to get another one, Mr. Millen.
OL or defense should be top priority. If they really want, Cleveland can grab someone at the end of round 1 like Matthews.
I do agree with RB in Round 2. A lot of guys out there and no need to waste a first rounder on a guy like Carlos Hyde.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:09 pm to Jcorye1
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Unless it's AP, why would you ever take a running back in the first round?
Yeah, all the other first round backs suck!
Signed,
Marshawn Lynch
Steven Jackson
Chris Johnson
Larry Johnson
Willis McGahee
Deangelo Williams
Etc.
I know plenty of first round backs bust, but about half of them pan out. It seems like a decent return on investment despite the short shelf life. It is not like all other first rounders pan out anyway.
I have zero problem with drafting a RB in the first round. Even safer picks like offensive tackles and edge rushers can flame out with a high pick like Vernon Gholston.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:09 pm to wildtigercat93
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Still think it would be a mistake picking a reciever that high due to how deep the WR class is, especially if youre talking "insurance" for Gordon
Right.
There are a legit 10 guys are so that are very good.
Heck, you could even wait until after the first few rounds and probably get a guy like Donte Moncrief, Kelvin Benjamin, Brandin Cooks, Allen Robinson, etc.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:10 pm to dlmast87
quote:he will be available, and dont be so emotional. im sure you were thrilled yall drafted greg little and didnt know who josh gordon was. it will be ok
If Watkins is available at #4 and the browns don't take him I'll be pretty pissed
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