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re: Manning and his cap hit
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:13 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:13 pm to lsupride87
quote:In the article you posted, I can argue that the shift was already happening.
I gave support to show the shotgun progression.
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During 1998, Manning's rookie season with the Indianapolis Colts, the average team threw the ball on 55.1 percent of its offensive snaps. With Manning struggling on a bad Indianapolis team, the Colts threw the ball in part to try to survive, passing on 60.9 percent of their offensive snaps. That was the third-highest rate in the league.
quote:Teams were already doing it, and doing more of it.
Perhaps a better measure of how the Colts wanted to throw the ball was what they did on first-and-10. The average team threw the ball 46.7 percent of the time on first down in 1998, despite the fact that teams were averaging 4.1 yards on the ground and 7.2 yards in the air. Manning's Colts were far more pass-friendly -- they threw the ball 49.5 percent of the time on first-and-10, the ninth-highest rate in the league.
quote:I believe that he was, as well. I just don't have any support for it.
I also do not believe you really need to be liked to the fact that Peyton was one of the first QBs to call entire drives from the field.
quote:I missed those. Can you link them again?
I have linked reasons, as well as support.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:14 pm
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:14 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:You just quoted them.
I missed those. Can you link them again?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:15 pm to lsupride87
quote:I was talking about the "first QB to call an offense from the field" stuff. Like I said, I believe that, as well. I would like some support for it.
You just quoted them.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:17 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Because he's wrong:
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Interesting quote:
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Esiason's high football IQ and absolute command of the offense as a quintessential field general stood in contrast to other high-level quarterbacks of the era. Wyche, Wilcots and Lapham all point out that Esiason was making all of the pre-snap reads in 1988 that Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are celebrated for orchestrating today.
Wyche explained to The MMQB in January that the teams with true field generals and players smart enough to follow instructions increase their odds of winning by 2 or 3 percent.
"If their tempo is good, and they don't make mistakes, they can go up another couple of percentage points," Wyche told the site. "Pretty soon you're up to where you've got about a 5 to an 8 percent edge on your opponent by the end of the game."
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Interesting quote:
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"There's been nothing new in this game for a long, long time. Because we coaches are the biggest thieves in the world. We'll see something, we'll analyze it, we'll implement it and then we'll take credit for it. That's the evolution of the game. But it still doesn't belie the genius of Bill Walsh and what that offense was about. And just the fact that everybody's running some element of it."
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:19 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Dan Marino has my back. Hopefully this counts as "support." This is from Peytons Indy days
I was talking about the "first QB to call an offense from the field" stuff. Like I said, I believe that, as well. I would like some support for it.
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For each snap on game day, Moore suggests three options to choose from — two passes and one run — but Manning has the final say. Offensive tackle Ryan Diem estimated that 95 percent of the time, Manning makes at least one change to the call at the line. Manning is often compared to Dan Marino, a Miami Dolphins Hall of Famer, who had the power to call his own plays in the two-minute offense. “We got hand signals, but not 95 percent of the time,” Marino said. “He’s doing more of that than anybody has ever done.”
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:20 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Tell Dan Marino you douche bag
Because he's wrong:
quuuuuuueeeeeeffff
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:23 pm to lsupride87
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Tell Dan Marino you douche bag
quuuuuuueeeeeeffff
Well since Dan Marino said it, it must make the 1988 Bengals offense and 2 articles I posted invalid.
Also, that quote doesn't actually say what you seem to believe it says. I won't argue that players today do it more today than has ever been done. That has absolutely nothing to do with the rule changes....
Feel free to check out the video of it in action
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:24 pm to lsupride87
I have no dog in this fight but I thought you should know that Dan Marino is high on cocaine like 98 percent of the time. Take him with a grain of high quality poppy seed
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:25 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:So me posting a link from one of the greatest QB of all times, saying that he used to have that power in the "2 minute offense" while Peyton has it "95% of the time" and "more than anybody ever" isnt a "reason" or "support?"
Also, that quote doesn't actually say what you seem to believe it says. I won't argue that players today do it more today than has ever been done. That has absolutely nothing to do with the rule changes..
quote:Well one is wrong. Im trusting Dan
Well since Dan Marino said it, it must make the 1988 Bengals offense and 2 articles I posted invalid.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:27 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:Cocaine clears the senses. 98% of successful investment bankers and goldman sachs partners can't work without it
I have no dog in this fight but I thought you should know that Dan Marino is high on cocaine like 98 percent of the time
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:27 pm to lsupride87
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saying that he used to have that power in the "2 minute offense"
do you understand how quotes work?
And doing more than has ever been done =/ changing the QB position.
Drew Brees throws the more than has ever been done. Guess he's changed it too
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Well one is wrong. Im trusting Dan
Dan said that QBs hadn't done it before Manning? Damn, guess I need to read it again.
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:28 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Brees and Brady have def played a part in the evolution of the position and game no doubt. Is your butthurt better now?
Drew Brees throws the more than has ever been done. Guess he's changed it too
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:30 pm to TigerBait1127
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Dan said that QBs hadn't done it before Manning? Damn, guess I need to read it again.
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Yes, some of those things were done before.
(Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:03 pm by lsupride87)
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those things were done before.
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were done before
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done before
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of the opinion that Peyton brought these things to the forefront of popularity in the NFL
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:30 pm to lsupride87
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Brees and Brady have def played a part in the evolution of the position and game no doubt. Is your butthurt better now?
Nope, just another point flying over your head
Enjoy this video:
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:31 pm to lsupride87
quote:Sure is. You need a lesson on how to use quotation marks, "though."
Hopefully this counts as "support."
From what I've just been reading about Boomer, it sounds like he had the option to audible out every play. It doesn't give percentages but it sounds like he had the option every play.
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Wyche used hand signals to make personnel changes and call plays, but Esiason called formations based on the game plan for that week.
Esiason then relayed the calls to his teammates, via voice if they could hear while lined up, or in a sugar huddle, which today more often is called the muddle huddle, about 1½ yards behind the line of scrimmage, if the crowd was loud.
Esiason also could change the play at the line, usually with one word to keep the pace fast. Most plays had an automatic audible from run to pass or vice versa, and he could switch to that play by saying "China."
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:32 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:And did other Qbs and offenses flock to the Cincy way? Nope
Nope, just another point flying over your head
Enjoy this video:
But around 2000-2001 it seemed to really gain popularity..... hmmmmmmmmm
(Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:03 pm by lsupride87)
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those things were done before.
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were done before
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done before
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of the opinion that Peyton brought these things to the forefront of popularity in the NFL
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:37 pm to lsupride87
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And did other Qbs and offenses flock to the Cincy way? Nope
Uh, yes. Read the article
And it actually goes further back than that.
Tom Flores called his own plays and so did his QBs.
Or maybe you've heard of Jim Kelly
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With great blocking from his offensive line, Kelly was given the time to pick his receivers and get creative behind the line of scrimmage. He was also given the option to make up plays on the run. The no-huddle offense allowed Kelly to call the shots on the fly. "I'm the only quarterback who calls his own plays," he said. "But that's the way I like it. I enjoy it - that's part of football. I'm the one on the field and I know what plays I like. Any person, be it a football or basketball player, likes to be in control, to be the pivot guy. And in our offense, I feel I'm the pivot guy or point guard. I can do anything I want.
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“Marv Levy let Jim Kelly call his own plays,” said the former offensive coordinator.
“He ran the up-tempo, no-huddle ‘K-Gun’ from a single personnel grouping. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are the last two QBs who do that.”
A big reason Manning is a fan favorite, even if fans don’t realize it, is he always has called his own plays. He’s a throwback. He is not a joy stick.
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This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 4:38 pm to TigerBait1127
When did the NFL change the rules to the benefit of passing offense?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:17 pm to OKtiger
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He did not contribute to the Broncos winning the Super Bowl or any game this season besides the scheduled cupcakes
Well obviously he contributed.
But it was probably the worst winning SB performance in history.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:35 pm to oleyeller
quote:LINK
No one had ever did the thing peyton did. No one had ever been given the kind of control peyton had. He is an on field coach, he is the offensive coordinator, he calls his own plays based on what he sees. Not just some audible to his wristband with a few plays on it. He changes things at the LOS, blocking, routes, everything based on what he sees. These things were not done near to that extreme before manning came along.
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It was a run heavy league, peyton changed that.
Here are the stats for the top 5 pass attempt offenses from 1995 to 2005. Can you explain how Peyton's entrance into the league changed the league from run-heavy to pass-heavy?
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 5:36 pm
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