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Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:51 am to ragincajun03
I have noticed that too with ULM, a lot depends on the president.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:55 am to LSUFanNTX
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a lot depends on the president.
No love for this one?
University of
Lawson's
Mistakes
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:57 am to LSUFanNTX
Yep. Sucks when you're having to catch up for 25 years or more of complete neglect.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:12 am to Judge Smails
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When they play those blue blood a-holes from Ruston the stands are also packed.
That game would be huge for both schools if Tech would only nut up and play. I just can't understand it. I know ULM would jump at a home and home.
Another thing which has been mentioned is the recruiting base for ULM. I listened to the radio broadcast while watching my son's JV game last night here in Houston and when they called the starters, I bet 80% of them were from Texas. I know Texas is a hotbed for talent but frick, so is NE LA. If I was Berry, I would be on lockdown with every high school in the Mecca. Talent and then the fan bases from those schools that would come to watch instead of just turning on the TV to watch LSU.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 8:13 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:56 am to MWP
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Talent and then the fan bases from those schools that would come to watch instead of just turning on the TV to watch LSU.
Damn good point. I also noticed the large amount of TX players.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:08 am to Judge Smails
Kids in Louisiana don't grow up dreaming to play for ULM. Same with the Cajuns, although the perception is changing a bit. ULM has a pretty bad stigma even amongst kids from NELA. They'd rather go play at a middling team in another state than to lower themselves to play for ULM. It's much easier to convince a mid-to-lower tier player in Texas who knows nothing about ULM to come play in Monroe than a kid who grew up 45 minutes away thinking they were a garbage team.
When Hud first got here, his first recruiting class was largely out of Mississippi. Mostly because that's the spot he and all of his coaches knew but partly because he could sell those kids on a vision, whereas the kids in Louisiana only saw our program as a joke.
It'll take some time before ULM can change their perception and be able to get some of those second tier Louisiana guys.
When Hud first got here, his first recruiting class was largely out of Mississippi. Mostly because that's the spot he and all of his coaches knew but partly because he could sell those kids on a vision, whereas the kids in Louisiana only saw our program as a joke.
It'll take some time before ULM can change their perception and be able to get some of those second tier Louisiana guys.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:27 am to hendersonshands
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ULM has a pretty bad stigma even amongst kids from NELA. They'd rather go play at a middling team in another state than to lower themselves to play for ULM. It's much easier to convince a mid-to-lower tier player in Texas who knows nothing about ULM to come play in Monroe than a kid who grew up 45 minutes away thinking they were a garbage team.
Agree with that to a point. ULM is all about winning. If they are doing good, then fans will flock to their games. If they suck, well it's fall back to LSU and Malone is like a ghost town. I think there was a general turn in the program in 2012 when they beat Arkie and went on to make the Indy Bowl. However, I don't know if they really sell their success in their own backyard. I went to Neville and follow them pretty close and you very rarely hear much about them offering any of those players that have only made it to the Dome a couple of times in the last few years. Maybe they do offer some but it's not often. I mean if I was on the ULM staff I would be all over programs like WM, Ruston, Bastrop, Neville, etc.. getting the kids that the LSU and the rest of the big time schools pass on. If you could build your program on those kids then you will capture those fans who want to see their talent on the next level and might actually turn off the LSU game to come watch them play.
Seriously, I would have expected a ton more NE LA guys on their roster then hearing that almost every player is from Texas.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:04 am to MWP
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That game would be huge for both schools if Tech would only nut up and play. I just can't understand it. I know ULM would jump at a home and home.
That is the problem - it should be huge but it is not. The 2000 game, there was NO ONE in the stands in monroe despite the local media blitz.
In 99 there may have been 100 ULM fans that came to Ruston.
I know times have changed but when ULM's and Tech's boosters don't purchase the away game tickets, what is the benefit? And don't let the attendance count fool anyone - ULM and Tech gave away large amounts of tickets for the 99 and 00 games.
Until the schools start purchasing the away game tickets, the game won't happen - there is soooo much blame on both sides it is not even funny anymore.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:15 am to MWP
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Seriously, I would have expected a ton more NE LA guys on their roster then hearing that almost every player is from Texas.
And quite a few from Arkansas. There are some NELA kids but yes you would expect more. I can remember before Berry when most players were from LA and those teams were not as good. Don't know if LA is so picked over by other instate and out of state schools that they feel better players they can get are out of state. Living here in AR I follow some of those guys and the ones they recruit from here all seem to contribute a lot.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:21 am to nelatf
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The 2000 game, there was NO ONE in the stands in monroe despite the local media blitz.
That was 14 fricking years ago. Both programs had barely made the jump into big boy football back then. Fast forward to the present. Both teams have pretty well established an identity and would generate much more interest from the locals now. At least test the waters with a home and home (but Tech is too stuck up with lowering their standards to play ULM).
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:33 am to MWP
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. At least test the waters with a home and home (but Tech is too stuck up with lowering their standards to play ULM).
I agree - it should happen - but calling Tech stuck up gets us no where - like I stated earlier - there is so much blame on both sides that it is not even funny.
The structure should be a 2 year deal: game 1 in Ruston, game 2 in monroe, $1,000,000 buyout, 5,000 guaranteed away game tickets (to be purchased by the traveling team$.
Last game was in Monroe, start again I Ruston with those conditions and game is on for all
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:33 am to MWP
Tech is scared to play UL-Monroe. It's just that simple. They envision themselves as some up and coming powerhouse and they envision ULM as some lower tier team.....even though they are pretty much the same. La. Tech fears this, but doesn't want reality to skew their vision. A loss to ULM would destroy their self-image. (And I say "self-image"...because nobody else feels that way.) Thus, they don't want to risk it.
Truth is, that game would be a huge economic boost to both communities. It would be a packed house....and what happened in 2000 is irrelevant. Fans like rivalries....and I promise a Tech ULM game these days would sell out. Even the Grambling game comes close to selling out.
Truth is, that game would be a huge economic boost to both communities. It would be a packed house....and what happened in 2000 is irrelevant. Fans like rivalries....and I promise a Tech ULM game these days would sell out. Even the Grambling game comes close to selling out.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 10:35 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:42 am to rumproast
Scared? Tech looks at everything from a money standpoint.
Tech's history show we are not worried about Ws and Ls.
ULM comes to the table too emotionally charged - Tech comes to the table too financially driven.
The two main sources of friction are now gone from the programs - but if the ADs would sit down and hammer out a deal rather than media attacks, the deal would happen.
Tech's history show we are not worried about Ws and Ls.
ULM comes to the table too emotionally charged - Tech comes to the table too financially driven.
The two main sources of friction are now gone from the programs - but if the ADs would sit down and hammer out a deal rather than media attacks, the deal would happen.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:44 am to rumproast
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Tech is scared to play UL-Monroe. It's just that simple. They envision themselves as some up and coming powerhouse and they envision ULM as some lower tier team.....even though they are pretty much the same. La. Tech fears this, but doesn't want reality to skew their vision. A loss to ULM would destroy their self-image. (And I say "self-image"...because nobody else feels that way.) Thus, they don't want to risk it.
Nailed it. The perfect storm would have been the 2012 Indy Bowl. Both teams could have squared off to showcase just how big the game could be. Let that game happen, it sells out, and I promise the fans of both schools would have demanded the rivalry to be started again. Either AD would be putting his job on the line if they didn't work it out after that. Of course, Tech backs out with some lame arse excuse and sits at the house.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 10:47 am to nelatf
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Tech looks at everything from a money standpoint.
What kind of finance classes they teaching in Ruston? I think everyone but Tech knows that this thing would be a cash cow.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:03 am to MWP
When I was in school, granted it was NLU then, NLU-Tech was packed at both places.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 11:47 am to MWP
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What kind of finance classes they teaching in Ruston? I think everyone but Tech knows that this thing would be a cash cow.
It should be....but pride, on both side, gets in the way.
The two biggest sources of friction are gone from the programs - it should be a good staring point.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:16 pm to nelatf
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The two biggest sources of friction are gone from the programs
I would love to know what the two "sources of friction" are....
Posted on 8/29/14 at 1:56 pm to Judge Smails
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I would love to know what the two "sources of friction" are
Me too
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