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re: LHSAA/LHSOA impasse
Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:44 am to Choupique19
Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:44 am to Choupique19
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They got a pay raise about 6-7 years ago in high school, but I was specifically talking about the high school umps that rake in a lot of money for time limited games for the school ball summer teams.
If you are in the umpiring association you get around 70 a game for the summer games. So basically you are getting that money for doing games that no one cares about.
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 12:14 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Is your assistant coach also a full time employee of the school?
Did you miss the part about him being a full-time teacher? And not a "roll the ball out" pe teacher. A "no child gets left behind" "common core" "dog and pony show" teacher.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 12:16 pm to WPBTiger
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What is the current pay rate for officials in football, basketball and baseball?
every sport is different, if i had that information i would give it to you.
i can tell you soccer:
Varsity
2 officials $55 each
3 officials $60 center and $40 each line
JV
2 officials $45 each
3 officials $45 center and $35 each line
Middle School
1 official $30 5th and 6th grade
1 official $35 7th 8th 9th
2 officials $35 each the 8th 9th
3 officials $35 center and $30 each line 7th 8th 9th
a few travel examples (this is for the new orleans association)
Chalmette - $13 total
Fountainebleau - $39 total
Northlake Christian - $44 total
Northshore - $45 total
there is no travel if the school is within the association footprint (like a Newman or Rummel)
this is the crew total, to be divided by all drivers or one driver if everyone rides together
Posted on 7/9/15 at 12:38 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Let me just say, that you Lake Charles refs are the worst in the state, but at least you don't need a raise considering Barbe pays extra ;)
Figured someone would come up with this sooner or later. And just to let you know our association is requested by coaches throughout the state, so we must be doing something right
But that being said, there are good officials in every association and bad officials in every association. Unfortunately our numbers do not allow us to have observers that know rules and mechanics at every game for us to know who's who (by the way, we don't listen to the people in the stands for this, we try to listen to coaches and observers). We try to train, but in all reality it takes at least five years worth of snaps to become competent and our numbers sometimes force us to put officials on the field who are not ready. If anyone reading feels that they could do better, then come on out, we could use you. A lot of our experience left us for Texas or just left because of all the hoops we have to jump through because of the last round of talks.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 12:44 pm to davis818
The current pay scale for football
1. Regular Season
Certified Rated Official …………………… $85.00 per official, per game
Approved Rated Official ………………….. ...... $70.00 per official, per game
Registered Rated Official ………………… $60.00 per official, per game
Clock Operator ………………………….… $40.00 per official, per game
2. Playoff Games
Certified Rated Official …………….…….......... $95.00 per official, per game
Approved Rated Official ………………............ $80.00 per official, per game
Registered Rated Official ……………….. $65.00 per official, per game
Clock Operator …………………………... $50.00 per official, per game
3. As adopted in all games, the crew referee’s fee shall be increased by $15.00.
4. Officials working games in the Superdome Classic shall be paid $100.00 per game and clock operators shall be paid
$75.00 per game, plus travel pay.
1. Regular Season
Certified Rated Official …………………… $85.00 per official, per game
Approved Rated Official ………………….. ...... $70.00 per official, per game
Registered Rated Official ………………… $60.00 per official, per game
Clock Operator ………………………….… $40.00 per official, per game
2. Playoff Games
Certified Rated Official …………….…….......... $95.00 per official, per game
Approved Rated Official ………………............ $80.00 per official, per game
Registered Rated Official ……………….. $65.00 per official, per game
Clock Operator …………………………... $50.00 per official, per game
3. As adopted in all games, the crew referee’s fee shall be increased by $15.00.
4. Officials working games in the Superdome Classic shall be paid $100.00 per game and clock operators shall be paid
$75.00 per game, plus travel pay.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 12:53 pm to davis818
What and how do they figure travel pay?
Posted on 7/9/15 at 1:02 pm to VernonPLSUfan
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What and how do they figure travel pay?
Each association is different, but I believe the going rate is 25 cents/mile from a central meeting point, I could be mistaken. Since we travel as a crew, it either goes to the driver or the white hat.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 1:11 pm to davis818
And the five dollar raise in 2011 wasn't really a raise. It required officials to attend a camp every other year which took the raise away. Then you had to make 90% or above the test to obtain said raise. if you made 80%-90% you basically made the same game fee. Anything below 80% and you took a pay cut. If you study at all, you should make above 80%, but that's beside the point. However, they give you a 320 question study guide then give you sixty questions on the test.
On top of all of these issues, dues to the local associations and the LHSAA have gone up around $15 a year since 2011. No official does it for the money, but they won't go in the hole doing it either.
On top of all of these issues, dues to the local associations and the LHSAA have gone up around $15 a year since 2011. No official does it for the money, but they won't go in the hole doing it either.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 1:14 pm to NikolaiJakov
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Did you miss the part about him being a full-time teacher? And not a "roll the ball out" pe teacher. A "no child gets left behind" "common core" "dog and pony show" teacher.
Yes. Where is that? Two different people referenced
Posted on 7/9/15 at 1:15 pm to FalseProphet
The LHSOA gave this to the schools in May. They should have plenty of money budgeted for it.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:24 pm to davis818
i don't understand his comments.
he says the LHSOA is not a sanctioned group that the LHSAA can negotiate with. But then he says the LHSOA bylaws state that they are a subgroup of the LHSAA. can someone clear this up for me.
he says the LHSOA is not a sanctioned group that the LHSAA can negotiate with. But then he says the LHSOA bylaws state that they are a subgroup of the LHSAA. can someone clear this up for me.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 4:48 pm to ToulatownTiger
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Referees are the worst. They are trying to make a full time job out of something you do as a little extra money or for the enjoyment. This isnt college or NFL, you arent supposed to be able to live off this money.
A $5 raise is trying to make it a full time job???
you do realize they have to pay for all their uniforms too, right? Your first year you are lucky to break even Posted on 7/9/15 at 5:08 pm to fleaux
He's not very smart.
5 X 25 (varsity plus JV assignments maybe) = 125
I can't wait to quit my full time job now.
What I could wait on is the 80-90 I have to spend on new varsity uniforms. ...... again
5 X 25 (varsity plus JV assignments maybe) = 125
I can't wait to quit my full time job now.
What I could wait on is the 80-90 I have to spend on new varsity uniforms. ...... again
Posted on 7/9/15 at 6:02 pm to davis818
If Bonine is right and "its about the kids" do away with the split!
Posted on 7/9/15 at 6:43 pm to TigerinPurgatory
As a former LHSOA member I can honestly say this has been a long time coming
The problem here is the pay scale is so bad that the only new recruits that are willing to work for that pay are the "hustlers" that typically work low wage jobs and supplement their income with year round officiating. So their professionalism is nonexistent, their attitudes are at best lackadaisical and at worst confrontational and their ability to improve is nonexistent
In the Acadiana area we noticed a significant drop off in the talent and ability of the new recruits which causes the assignment secretary to burn out his top tier (older guys) or throw unproven guys into tough environments.
I moved to Texas and quit officiating, so to all of you know it alls and critics you get what you pay for
The problem here is the pay scale is so bad that the only new recruits that are willing to work for that pay are the "hustlers" that typically work low wage jobs and supplement their income with year round officiating. So their professionalism is nonexistent, their attitudes are at best lackadaisical and at worst confrontational and their ability to improve is nonexistent
In the Acadiana area we noticed a significant drop off in the talent and ability of the new recruits which causes the assignment secretary to burn out his top tier (older guys) or throw unproven guys into tough environments.
I moved to Texas and quit officiating, so to all of you know it alls and critics you get what you pay for
Posted on 7/9/15 at 6:44 pm to supatigah
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The problem here is the pay scale is so bad that the only new recruits that are willing to work for that pay are the "hustlers" that typically work low wage jobs and supplement their income with year round officiating. So their professionalism is nonexistent, their attitudes are at best lackadaisical and at worst confrontational and their ability to improve is nonexistent
In the Acadiana area we noticed a significant drop off in the talent and ability of the new recruits which causes the assignment secretary to burn out his top tier (older guys) or throw unproven guys into tough environments.
Pretty accurate statement.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 6:55 pm to Mr.Perfect
we lost bankers, salesmen, office managers, and other professionals that cared about the job and gained city worker types and labor crew members that only care about the money
Posted on 7/9/15 at 8:58 pm to supatigah
Yep. Heard it more than once last season with the LHSAA guys officiating my CSAL games when playing the last game of the night that "we needed to speed this up so I can get my check and go home."
Posted on 7/9/15 at 9:00 pm to davis818
It doesn't seem like the officials get paid enough. I'd go with paying them a little more, especially with how much more serious high school football is now days and how much more of a priority schools are putting on it.
Posted on 7/9/15 at 9:39 pm to Mr.Perfect
High school baseball/softball officials are not required to be at a game an hour early. You may have been talking about football officials and I misunderstood.
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