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re: Kareem Abdul Jabbar is the GOAT
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:15 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:15 pm to SammyTiger
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Just like MJ being the GOAT
According to sportswriters, the same people that voted him MVP.
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Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:15 pm to Montezuma
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but blocks and rebounds
Yes let's omit two of the most important stats in basketball to suit your new hypothetical
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:16 pm to Burt Reynolds
He didn't say omit. He said Jordan wins all of the categories except those two.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:16 pm to Burt Reynolds
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According to sportswriters
And everyone else.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:19 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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He didn't say omit. He said Jordan wins all of the categories except those two.
Nope. See OP.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:20 pm to Burt Reynolds
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I could just average things and everything but blocks and rebounds swings to Jordan
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but blocks and rebounds
quote:durrrr
Yes let's omit two of the most important stats in basketball to suit your new hypothetical
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:23 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
So what is the new talking point just so we are clear.
- can't include college or high school
- can't include blocks or rebounds
- only count average career assists, points and finals mvps
Hell I think you have yourself an argument now
- can't include college or high school
- can't include blocks or rebounds
- only count average career assists, points and finals mvps
Hell I think you have yourself an argument now
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:23 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
So PPG, APG SPG - MJ
BPG and RPG - Kareem
Congrats
Kareem is definitely taller.
BPG and RPG - Kareem
Congrats
Kareem is definitely taller.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:23 pm to Burt Reynolds
quote:His argument was clear. If you can't follow, that's on you.
So what is the new talking point just so we are clear.
Just admit you read the sentence wrong.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:27 pm to SammyTiger
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So PPG, APG SPH - MJ BPG and RPG - Kareem Congrats Kareem is definitely taller.
so only ppg, apg, spg, bpg, and rpg should be used in determining the GOAT? Let me know when you are finished moving the goal posts.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:39 pm to Burt Reynolds
I feel like if there was a video of the back and forth in this thread it would look like a baby and a monkey flinging poo at each other.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:41 pm to Burt Reynolds
I am saying 4 more Finals MVP outweighs 1 more MVP.
And that career stats are not useful in this conversation.
If you look at average stats MJ is ahead in a majority of them.
And that career stats are not useful in this conversation.
If you look at average stats MJ is ahead in a majority of them.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:47 pm to Bench McElroy
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My only knock against Kareem is how mediocre his teams were without an elite PG leading the way. He had Oscar Robertson for his first five seasons in the NBA. After Robertson retired, the Bucks went 38-44 and missed the playoffs altogether. Kareem was traded to the Lakers the following season. In his first season with the Lakers, they went 40-42 and missed the playoffs. In Kareem's second season, the Lakers went 53-29 but got swept in the WCF. In Kareem's third season with the Lakers, they went 45-37 and lost in the first round. And in Kareem's fourth season in Los Angeles, the Lakers go 47-35 in a league with no dominant teams and lose in the second round of the playoffs. After that season, the Lakers draft Magic with the #1 overall pick and the rest as they say is history. But here's my question. Can anybody see LeBron or Jordan missing the playoffs twice and only making one conference final appearance in five seasons which are the absolute prime years (Ages 27-31) of their career? It would be unfathomable. So why does Kareem get a pass for those years?
Well put.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:00 pm to Bench McElroy
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My only knock against Kareem is how mediocre his teams were without an elite PG leading the way.
I mean, Jordan didn't win a champ without an amazing 3 (Pippen), the winningest coach of all time (Phil) and a very good 4 (rodman and grant). The bulls championship teams of the 90s were absolutely stacked.
The only real data we have of this timeframe without one of those ingredients is the '94 and '95 seasons. In 94, without Jordan, the bulls actually have a very solid regular season (they won 2 fewer games than the season before when they had jordan) and lose in the second round of the playoffs. In 95 they lose grant as well, and take an absolute nose dive. Jordan's reappearance is enough to get them to the playoffs, but they again lose in the second round to an Orlando team that gets swept in the finals.
Now, when rodman comes on board the next year, they have one of the all time great teams assembled and win the champ.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:23 pm to gorillacoco
Not only did MJ not win a title without Pippen and Jackson, he never achieved a winning season until the Bulls drafted Pippen and Grant and added Jackson to the coaching staff in 87. Every year MJ played without Pippen and Jackson his teams compiled a losing record.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:50 pm to ThePTExperience1969
So his first 3 years in the NBA
Posted on 5/19/17 at 4:42 pm to MidnightVibe
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My only knock against Kareem is how mediocre his teams were without an elite PG leading the way. He had Oscar Robertson for his first five seasons in the NBA. After Robertson retired, the Bucks went 38-44 and missed the playoffs altogether. Kareem was traded to the Lakers the following season. In his first season with the Lakers, they went 40-42 and missed the playoffs. In Kareem's second season, the Lakers went 53-29 but got swept in the WCF. In Kareem's third season with the Lakers, they went 45-37 and lost in the first round. And in Kareem's fourth season in Los Angeles, the Lakers go 47-35 in a league with no dominant teams and lose in the second round of the playoffs. After that season, the Lakers draft Magic with the #1 overall pick and the rest as they say is history. But here's my question. Can anybody see LeBron or Jordan missing the playoffs twice and only making one conference final appearance in five seasons which are the absolute prime years (Ages 27-31) of their career? It would be unfathomable. So why does Kareem get a pass for those years?
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Well put.
Well put, indeed, but those early LA teams were poorly constructed. 6'5" forwards, Sweet Lou Hudson was reduced to a standstill shooter, not much of a bench, but Norm Nixon was a good player.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 5:06 pm to SammyTiger
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So his first 3 years in the NBA
Kareem won a title in his first three years with a shitty Bucks team FYI. That's what GOATs do.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 5:12 pm to Burt Reynolds
[quote]Only LSU homers believe this
Just like he destroyed Olajuwan right?[/quote"Olajuwan" in his prime and Shaq several years before his prime. You are a typical moron if you think Hakeem was as good as Shaq in Shaq's prime.
By your standard, Isaiah Thomas must be better than Michael Jordan.
Just like he destroyed Olajuwan right?[/quote"Olajuwan" in his prime and Shaq several years before his prime. You are a typical moron if you think Hakeem was as good as Shaq in Shaq's prime.
By your standard, Isaiah Thomas must be better than Michael Jordan.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 5:28 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Kareem won a title in his first three years with a shitty Bucks team FYI. That's what GOATs do.
yeah no one else good on that team.
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