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Posted on 9/3/15 at 5:28 pm to SG_Geaux
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So am I understanding this right? Basically the judge is saying that no one told Brady that he could be suspended if he cheated?
You are obviously not understanding it correctly.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 5:32 pm to Jcorye1
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"The court finds that Brady had no notice that he could receive a four-game suspension for general awareness of ball deflation by others,'' the judge wrote.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 5:34 pm to SG_Geaux
Are you going to post where Goodell argued for 4 games because it somehow equates in his mind to steroids? No, because you're intentionally being dense.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 5:37 pm to Jcorye1
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Are you going to post where Goodell argued for 4 games because it somehow equates in his mind to steroids?
Nah. That argument by Goodell was just dumb. As far as I am concerned though, IF they have proof that he cheated in that way there is no punishment too severe.
I certainly have not followed this like some have. I think there should be zero tolerance for cheating with severe punishment if the proof is there.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 5:41 pm to SG_Geaux
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Nah. That argument by Goodell was just dumb. As far as I am concerned though, IF they have proof that he cheated in that way there is no punishment too severe.
That's the crux of the issue, it didn't matter if he did it or didn't, the NFL failed to follow their own CBA.
The NFL attempted to use the same strategies against Tom as they did against the Patriots as a whole. Not allowing the NFLPA to question Pash, attempting to apply steroid suspensions to equipment issues, and not even abiding by their own CBA with punishment guidelines doomed them in the end.
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I certainly have not followed this like some have. I think there should be zero tolerance for cheating with severe punishment if the proof is there.
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Berman grilled Nash about why some evidence used in the Wells report wasn’t shared with Brady’s team and asked Nash if there is “any direct evidence linking Mr. Brady to tampering?”
Berman then added, “Turns out Mr. Brady did better with higher inflated balls than underinflated balls,” according to Brown. “You might say he got no competitive advantage.”
Nash responded there was “considerable evidence Mr. Brady clearly knew about this,” including records of text messages and phone calls between the quarterback and one of two Patriots employees implicated in the scandal known as “Deflategate.” But he also said there was no “smoking gun” showing Brady had direct knowledge that the balls were deflated.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 5:51 pm to SG_Geaux
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I certainly have not followed this like some have. I think there should be zero tolerance for cheating with severe punishment if the proof is there.
There was a zero tolerance rule for equipment tampering (cheating) in place. It called for a $25k fine and no suspension. I would imagine after all this egg on their face, the NFL will want to put a rule in place with more stringent penalties.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 6:17 pm to tigerpimpbot
Easy to say now of course but Jonathan Kraft said they were going to put up the banner without Brady on the field
Also says they want the picks back as much as the fans do but don't plan on pursuing it.
Also says they want the picks back as much as the fans do but don't plan on pursuing it.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 7:33 pm to wildtigercat93
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We already told you that Munson was a hack. Didn't believe us though
No you got it all wrong, Goodell will win on appeal.
"league can and probably will succeed in its appeal"
He is doubling down, only lawyer on the losing side more often then Goodell
Posted on 9/3/15 at 7:38 pm to TigerintheNO
I am amazed that NFL is going to appeal.
So low. hopefully, Brady gets to play while the appeal is scheduled, and eventually heard.
At this point, if I were Brady, I would sue Goodell for $100 million. CRUSH HIM.
So low. hopefully, Brady gets to play while the appeal is scheduled, and eventually heard.
At this point, if I were Brady, I would sue Goodell for $100 million. CRUSH HIM.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 7:41 pm to TigerintheNO
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No you got it all wrong, Goodell will win on appeal. "league can and probably will succeed in its appeal" He is doubling down, only lawyer on the losing side more often then Goodell
Smart by him. Even whenever he gets proved wrong again, he's still Lester Munson. Not many people know who he is or cares.
And if he turns out to be right once out of a billion, he can beat his chest as a legal expert
Posted on 9/3/15 at 7:46 pm to wildtigercat93
The rich and famous always get it easy... if this was RGIII the judge would have made it a full year.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 7:49 pm to tduecen
I think you owe me a beer bruh
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:03 pm to wildtigercat93
Appears we may both wrong actually.... Flynn is not starting and neither is Jimmy...
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:08 pm to TigerintheNO
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No you got it all wrong, Goodell will win on appeal.
"league can and probably will succeed in its appeal"
He is doubling down, only lawyer on the losing side more often then Goodell
I'm beginning to think Munson is one of Goodell's chief advisors behind the scenes.
Goodell keeps getting "Munsoned" in court
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:08 pm to tduecen
That wasn't the deal and you know it
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:11 pm to wildtigercat93
Did Judge BERMAN say he was taking the suspension back back back back back?
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:12 pm to tigerpimpbot
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Regarding the Tom Brady suspension, ESPN legal analyst Lester Munson has been lying or uninformed for more than three months now.
On May 17, five days after the NFL imposed a four-game banishment on Brady, Munson authored an item that declares there’s “not much hope” for Brady in his appeal. With a question-and-answer format to the column, Munson asked himself whether Brady can win a reduction in the suspension or eliminate it entirely.
“No,” Munson wrote. “The evidence gathered by attorney Ted Wells for the NFL’s investigation is clear and convincing. The text messages between Brady and two Patriots staffers, the disappearance of the Patriots’ footballs in the moments before kickoff, the history of similar incidents involving Brady and Brady’s stonewalling of the NFL investigators lead to only one conclusion: Brady was clearly involved in an effort to underinflate the footballs to give him a competitive edge.”
When the case moved from the internal appeal phase to the external litigation phase, Munson doubled down.
“Will Brady succeed in court and stop the NFL from suspending him for four games?” Munson asked himself. “No, Brady will not succeed,” Munson told himself. “Although he enjoys top-of-the-line legal representation and his lawyers will file a brilliantly written lawsuit, his effort to stop the suspension is doomed. There are two reasons why: First, federal judges are reluctant to reconsider the rulings of arbitrators; second, [Commissioner Roger] Goodell produced a decision on Brady that is brilliantly reasoned, meticulously detailed, and well-written. Goodell’s recitation of the evidence of the tampering with game balls is powerful, and his description of Brady’s attempt at a cover-up is persuasive.”
Of course, Munson’s second column came before the 456-page transcript of the appeal hearing was released, a transcript which reveals various flaws in the ruling, such as the failure to allow the NFLPA to call NFL general counsel Jeff Pash as a witness, the refusal to compel “independent” investigator Ted Wells to make his files available to the union, the mischaracterization of Tom Brady’s testimony regarding interactions with John Jastremski, the NFL’s lack of knowledge regarding the natural deflation of footballs in cold weather, and the failure of the league to give Brady the policy under which he was suspended. But none of that has changed Munson’s opinion. Two days after Judge Richard M. Berman aggressively questioned NFL lawyer Dan Nash regarding the flaws in the NFL’s case, Munson dismisses the interrogation and declares that “the NFL will win in the end.”
I don't understand this level of incompetence without personal malice or conflict of interest. I don't understand why he would have malice or conflict of interest in this case but it is still easier to fathom than this level of stupidity.
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:33 pm to wildtigercat93
I said Flynn would start
You said Jimmy would start
what was the bet?
I believe it was even stated that if Brady can play we both knew he would be the starter.
You said Jimmy would start
what was the bet?
I believe it was even stated that if Brady can play we both knew he would be the starter.
This post was edited on 9/3/15 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 9/3/15 at 8:34 pm to tduecen
You both owe me beers. Avenue Pub, next weekend.
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