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re: John Curtis vs. Rummel
Posted on 12/21/12 at 12:37 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 12/21/12 at 12:37 pm to chalmetteowl
most don't think Curtis will get jumped in many of the polls. They'll basically be the NC by at least 3 polls
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Posted on 12/21/12 at 12:41 pm to Elleshoe
they might be the best team, but the issue is they haven't done as much to prove it as the GA, CA, or TX state champions
you can even argue Rummel had a harder schedule
you can even argue Rummel had a harder schedule
Posted on 12/21/12 at 12:44 pm to chalmetteowl
k.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 12:47 pm to chalmetteowl
J.T. has always liked a nice, soft schedule
Posted on 12/21/12 at 12:54 pm to Rocket
Elleshoe, how exactly can JC's schedule match up with an Allen or Desoto?
Posted on 12/21/12 at 1:04 pm to WinnPtiger
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Elleshoe, how exactly can JC's schedule match up with an Allen or Desoto?
where did I say it could? The rankings are what they are. I didn't make them
Posted on 12/21/12 at 1:09 pm to Elleshoe
Veer pass to Dupre three times for 130 yards and two touchdowns (he might have to dive for the other catch, keeping him from scoring) then they shut it down in second quarter, leading 49-0 over some recovery school district charter school nobody wants to go to.
I bet those guys got bored a lot this year.
I notice DeLaSalle won the "open" division of the north California league. That's what they need in Louisiana. An open division. Any metro school should be in it because if you are a big school in a metro area, you are competing for players, period.
I bet those guys got bored a lot this year.
I notice DeLaSalle won the "open" division of the north California league. That's what they need in Louisiana. An open division. Any metro school should be in it because if you are a big school in a metro area, you are competing for players, period.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 1:17 pm to chalmetteowl
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hey might be the best team, but the issue is they haven't done as much to prove it as the GA, CA, or TX state champions
you can even argue Rummel had a harder schedule
Exactly. Curtis had to be up for two or three games this year: The 2A state final and the first two games of the season against St. Paul's and Plant, Fla.Plant and St. Paul's played in high classifications, but both were eliminated early in their respective state playoff races.
No way Curtis should be rewarded for that schedule. I know it's not their fault and if they had their way, they would have been able to prove it in 4A against the likes of Karr and Neville, but their schedule simply doesn't measure up to other teams out there who are unbeaten.
It's the SEC vs. MAC argument at the high school level. You could put 2001 Miami in the MAC right now and I'd still say Alabama would deserve to be ahead of them in the BCS because of strength of schedule. Same thing here.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 1:50 pm to CourseyCorridor
I sense a lot of mad in this thread. Its ok
Posted on 12/21/12 at 1:59 pm to CourseyCorridor
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I've had more than one New Orleans metro coach tell me Karr would beat Curtis this year. And I explored the Curtis hate angle and I explored the "You mean they are more talented, but JT would outcoach them angle."
Karr wouldn't beat Rummel. They definitely wouldn't beat Curtis.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 2:01 pm to Elleshoe
why should anyone be mad? I just find it laughable that a newspaper can anoint a national champion from a 2A division in a weak football state
Posted on 12/21/12 at 2:18 pm to WinnPtiger
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in a weak football state
you have zero credibility now.
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a newspaper
its not like its the Sun Times. Its USA Today. And Rivals. And other national sites. Whatever makes you sleep better at night, little man
This post was edited on 12/21/12 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 12/21/12 at 3:14 pm to Elleshoe
Yea Curtis is definitely legit. I live behind Curtis and they were already conditioning like three or four days after they just beat Evangel
Posted on 12/21/12 at 3:41 pm to Elleshoe
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you have zero credibility now.
are you serious?
Posted on 12/21/12 at 4:38 pm to Elleshoe
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I sense a lot of mad in this thread.
Mad about what? I'm just pointing out that
A. You shouldn't win a national title for winning 2A in Louisiana. You just shouldn't. If Curtis played Texas 5A, they'd have to play 3-4 playoff games against teams that could at least compete with it (where as, in Louisiana 2A, they played one team that could sort of hang in Evangel).
If you think Curtis should be national champion over, say, Katy (assuming a Katy state title), then you should never argue that an SEC team should have an advantage over a non-SEC team based on strength of schedule.
B. Curtis is to Louisiana high school football's Class 2A what Nick Bollettieri's training center is to, say, Rummel' tennis team.
Apples and oranges. As institutions, they have fundamentally different goals.
I don't mind Curtis being in the LHSAA, but there should be an open classification it competes in along with a handful of private powers, the 5A public schools and whoever else wants to give it a shot. Curtis vs. any public 2A school is
Posted on 12/21/12 at 4:54 pm to WinnPtiger
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why should anyone be mad? I just find it laughable that a newspaper can anoint a national champion from a 2A division in a weak football state
I wouldn't call Louisiana a weak football state. Pound for pound, it has the best high school football anywhere. The numbers support it (per capita NFL and college player production).
What Louisiana doesn't have, however, is large schools. Lafayette High, with around 2,300 students, is the largest school in the state. It would barely be 5A in Texas.
Consider that there are 240 (more or less, in a given year) Texas 5A schools. That's roughly the TOTAL number of FOOTBALL-PLAYING schools in Louisiana. And almost every 5A in Texas has an enrollment that would make it among the 2-3 largest schools in Louisiana. A considerable number of them are over 3,000 and some well over 4,000 students. Just a different educational philosophy in Texas.
That means of 240 schools in Texas 5A, probably 200-220 would be the largest school in Louisiana if they were in Louisiana.
Think about that.
Now, Texas doesn't produce players at a per-capita basis as well as Louisiana. Granted. But, take this into consideration: The Rio Grade Valley and West Texas are relatively weak. If you were just to count East Texas from Texarkana down to Galveston and everything east of the Austin/San Antonio area, I'd bet Texas' per-capita player production is every bit as good as Louisiana.
It's why you see 21-20 games in the first round of the 5A playoffs in Dallas, then in the round of 8 or the semis, when those Dallas (or Houston) teams get matched up with teams from around El Paso or somewhere like that, the East Texas team usually wins 42-0. But the tough games come early because the tough regions play against each other (no seeding, like in Louisiana, because travel would be too far).
If Curtis were playing Texas 5A, they'd have to beat a playoff field that would be like playing West Monroe, Rummel, Neville, Karr and Evangel all in the same post-season. It would get one "break" against a team probably comparable to, say, East Ascension or Salmen from out West or down toward Brownsville.
I'm not saying Curtis couldn't win it. But they shouldn't be rewarded for beating the former Springhill and Springfield while Katy or Allen goes through a much tougher gauntlet.
This post was edited on 12/21/12 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 12/21/12 at 5:00 pm to lsutigers504
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Yea Curtis is definitely legit. I live behind Curtis and they were already conditioning like three or four days after they just beat Evangel
That's what John Curtis calls "history class."
Posted on 12/21/12 at 5:08 pm to WinnPtiger
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are you serious?
yes. If you think Louisiana is a weak football state
Posted on 12/21/12 at 6:20 pm to CourseyCorridor
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CourseyCorridor
You jelly bro? Football isn't a class at Curtis (some schools actually have football as a period, I think substituted for PE). At PE is when the football players workout though, but every school does this so that isn't special. The kids at Curtis take as many classes as students at any other schools, and obviously academic powerhouses like Tulane aren't afraid to spend scholarships on Curtis kids so you sound like you have sour grapes.
Posted on 12/21/12 at 6:22 pm to CourseyCorridor
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If Curtis were playing Texas 5A, they'd have to beat a playoff field that would be like playing West Monroe, Rummel, Neville, Karr and Evangel all in the same post-season. It would get one "break" against a team probably comparable to, say, East Ascension or Salmen from out West or down toward Brownsville.
I'm not saying Curtis couldn't win it. But they shouldn't be rewarded for beating the former Springhill and Springfield while Katy or Allen goes through a much tougher gauntlet.
I got a family friend that coaches at Katy... and a cousin playing there.... .they are from NoLa.. and saw curtis play....
not so fast my friend.......
this years curtis team could play with anyone anytime anyplace...
a few years back.. the katy folks wanted WM.. WM wisely wanted no part of them.....
I don't think katy wants curtis... this year....
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