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re: It’s time to evict big-time sports from American higher education - Slate.com
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Maybe it's time for a semi pro system separate from higher education.
This will kill college sports as interesting spectator sports. If you want to see what CFB would look like if the NFL had a viable minor league system, go to a Dartmouth football game or a college baseball game outside of Louisiana/Mississippi/Texas. Tiger stadium would have 30,000 fans on Saturday; most Pac-12 and ACC squads would have about 15,000 show up. All mid-major programs would basically be dead.
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Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:22 am to RandyVandy
That's why I said I would hate it but come on, the majority of football and basketball players don't belong in college.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:24 am to Sigma
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I would hate it but the hypocrisy of the system is absurd. I try not to think about it too much.
bingo
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:39 am to Sigma
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That's why I said I would hate it but come on, the majority of football and basketball players don't belong in college.
My personal preference is to let them major in athletics. Business isn't a traditional academic field either, but the modern university is a place for professional preparation and the development of adult life skills (social skills, independent living, etc), and those gifted with athletic talent should have the opportunity to pursue an athletic career in an upfront, honest way, within the structure that seems to serve everyone from LGBT Studies, Turf Management and Dance majors well enough.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:41 am to RandyVandy
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LGBT Studies, Turf Management and Dance majors well enough.
Had to put us turf guys in with the gays and dancers?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:46 am to bamafan425
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Had to put us turf guys in with the gays and dancers?
I was going for the biggest dichotomy possible
. I would say good luck on 1/6/14 but something is telling me your avatar is the result of a lost bet...This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 1:46 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:48 am to The White Lobster
Absurdly simply solution:
End "athletic scholarships"
Those who don't belong in college can play in minor leagues, and we can return to student-athletes as originally intended.
End "athletic scholarships"
Those who don't belong in college can play in minor leagues, and we can return to student-athletes as originally intended.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:54 am to Kafka
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Absurdly simply solution:
End "athletic scholarships"
Those who don't belong in college can play in minor leagues, and we can return to student-athletes as originally intended.
This is called D-III. They are known for really great games (just downright exciting displays of athleticism) and rabid fan bases. A few teams may even have press boxes and dedicated football fields that aren't shared with the Quidditch club.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:55 am to RandyVandy
Had a mass bet between Bama and Auburn fans on the SECRant.
Luckily I'm on mobile usually so I don't see it much. For some reason I find myself cheering for them. FSU rubs me the wrong way.
Luckily I'm on mobile usually so I don't see it much. For some reason I find myself cheering for them. FSU rubs me the wrong way.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 1:58 am to bamafan425
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Had a mass bet between Bama and Auburn fans on the SECRant.
Luckily I'm on mobile usually so I don't see it much. For some reason I find myself cheering for them. FSU rubs me the wrong way.
Growing up in the 90's I honestly LOVE me some Florida State. I feel like a kid again
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:08 am to RandyVandy
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My personal preference is to let them major in athletics. Business isn't a traditional academic field either, but the modern university is a place for professional preparation and the development of adult life skills (social skills, independent living, etc), and those gifted with athletic talent should have the opportunity to pursue an athletic career in an upfront, honest way, within the structure that seems to serve everyone from LGBT Studies, Turf Management and Dance majors well enough.
This. All of this.
There's nothing wrong with being athletically gifted and academically challenged.
In fact, sometimes it sucks being the other way around
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:09 am to RandyVandy
quote:fify
This is called student-athletes
quote:no one will stop you from watching the morons and thugs who don't belong on a campus when they're playing in the minors
They are known for really great games (just downright exciting displays of athleticism)
fans of college athletics will still be able to watch students -- who study -- engage in athletics
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:22 am to Kafka
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no one will stop you from watching the morons and thugs who don't belong on a campus when they're playing in the minors
If you don't believe every student body in the country has it's share of non-athlete morons and thugs you've never step foot on a college campus.
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fans of college athletics will still be able to watch students -- who study -- engage in athletics
Like I said, they already can. I'm sure there is some D-III/NIAI program within 15 minutes of where you live. I also doubt anyone is preventing you from watching the many intramural games that go on at every campus in the country. Of course, the advocates of some imagined form of pure collegiate athletics don't want to accept the reality that amateur athletes suck, as most people with actual talent in any field are seriously pursing professional futures in said field by their early 20's.
This post was edited on 1/2/14 at 2:45 am
Posted on 1/2/14 at 2:38 am to Kafka
IMO the biggest problem in the NCAA fails in their number one objective. Education, this is a New York Times article from New Year's Eve.
A's for athletes
what are the chances that either tesitify to what happened?
A's for athletes
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In the summer of 2011, 19 undergraduates at the University of North Carolina signed up for a lecture course called AFAM 280: Blacks in North Carolina.It is doubtful the students learned much about blacks, North Carolina or anything else, though they received grades for papers they supposedly turned in and Mr. Nyang’oro, the instructor, was paid $12,000. University and law-enforcement officials say AFAM 280 never met. One of dozens of courses in the department that officials say were taught incompletely or not at all, AFAM 280 is the focus of a criminal indictment against Mr. Nyang’oro that was issued last month.
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The indictment, critics say, covers just a small piece of one of the biggest cases of academic fraud in North Carolina history...Two reports on the activities of the African and Afro-American studies department, one internal and one conducted by a former governor of North Carolina, James G. Martin, found problems with dozens of courses and said as many as 560 unauthorized grade changes were suspected of having been made,often with forged faculty signatures — dating back to 1997.
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Mr. Nyang’oro, who ran the department for 20 years, the university says the blame rests firmly and exclusively with two people: Mr. Nyang’oro and Deborah Crowder, the department manager, who retired in 2009 after 30 years there.
what are the chances that either tesitify to what happened?
Posted on 1/2/14 at 5:48 am to bamafan425
Patrick Hruby over at Sports On Earth has been writing about this for a while now.
His solution, however, is one of reform. Pay the athletes above the table. Drop the charade of amateurism. Get rid of the bullshite majors and just be real about it.
Here's his article and blog archive: LINK /
His solution, however, is one of reform. Pay the athletes above the table. Drop the charade of amateurism. Get rid of the bullshite majors and just be real about it.
Here's his article and blog archive: LINK /
Posted on 1/2/14 at 8:56 am to bamafan425
I'm going to guess that this douche uses terms like "rape culture" and "jingoism" on a regular basis.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 9:39 am to GoBigOrange86
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Reform is needed in the entire college system
FIFY
Posted on 1/2/14 at 9:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
While this is true:
The article really misses the point and makes it far too personal.
Exactly.
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It’s time to evict big-time sports from American higher education
The article really misses the point and makes it far too personal.
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Probably some truth to it. Many atheletes wouldn't qualify for the schools they attend without academic waivers. Even at schools with good scholastic reps, many of their football and basketball players wouldn't attend if they didn't play sports, and without lots of academic help wouldn't stay eligible.
Maybe it's time for a semi pro system separate from higher education.
Exactly.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 9:51 am to RTR America
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Some schools who don't already have a strong academic background would shite bricks if the visibility and money donated from their sports disappeared.
Our chancellor has said Saban was the best investment the school has ever made and it shows.
The number of students enrolling goes up every year. Massive influx of out of state students. New buildings going up all the time. They just bought more land to develop on.
Getting affluent white kids to attend college is about as hard as getting lower class people to shop at Wal-Mart.
And you know what building a bunch of academic buildings is? Old rich people wanting their name on something. It has nothing to do with college success, completion or improving higher education.
Neither are signs of collegiate success or an improving academic system. Nor should they be used to defend sports in relation to colleges.
Posted on 1/2/14 at 9:57 am to Sophandros
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His solution, however, is one of reform. Pay the athletes above the table. Drop the charade of amateurism. Get rid of the bullshite majors and just be real about it.
That's my take. Offer a stipend to all athletes as part of their scholarship. Say, $5000 per year. Schools engaged in big-time athletics can afford it (and don't believe they don't turn a profit, they are listed as non-profits so therefore CAN'T post a profit so they come up with some creative accounting to either hide or spend the profits).
But more importantly, remove all caps on players earning money outside of the university. Want to sell your autograph? Do commercials? Knock yourself out. If some booster wants to give you too much money to mow his lawn... why do we care? So long as its not directed by the university, and its all above board and reported to the NCAA and the IRS, knock yourself out.
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