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Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:07 pm to Patton
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To be fair, they had a third party independent doc take a look and he said the same thing theirs did. I'm anxious to get this deal done
Yeah, it's beginning to sound more and more that the Cavs are playing coy and have known about the injury. So at what point can Adam Silver and the NBA come in and say "Sorry, but you have to take what you got"?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:33 pm to GeauxAggie972
My best guess is the Cavs see that the risk of IT playing through the injury without surgery is far greater than they expected. In other words, there is a very high chance he won't make it through the season no matter when he starts.
The celtics and Cavs have different 2017 goals. The Celtics docs can see IT and say well he can play without surgery but there is high risk of re injuring. Pre-trade Celtics don't care because they are letting IT walk after season and know winning a title or even reaching Finals is slim anyways.
Cavs looking at same exact result except they are trying to win a title so the high risk of not having someone like IT means this season - a very important one - would be wasted.
I don't think anyone is playing a game. They are just in different spots and the outcome of IT has different effects.
The celtics and Cavs have different 2017 goals. The Celtics docs can see IT and say well he can play without surgery but there is high risk of re injuring. Pre-trade Celtics don't care because they are letting IT walk after season and know winning a title or even reaching Finals is slim anyways.
Cavs looking at same exact result except they are trying to win a title so the high risk of not having someone like IT means this season - a very important one - would be wasted.
I don't think anyone is playing a game. They are just in different spots and the outcome of IT has different effects.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:17 pm to jimithing11
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Boston has been pretty transparent about the whole thing. You act like Thomas' hip just came up 48 hours ago. If Cleveland didn't do research, that's on them.
Thomas missed a game or two in the eastern finals. Cavs knew
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:21 pm to GeauxAggie972
quote:After it's agreed upon and signed off on, which clearly hasn't happened...unless it's signed off on and pending a physical, which I don't even think it's there either.
So at what point can Adam Silver and the NBA come in and say "Sorry, but you have to take what you got"?
From what I gather, it's just an agreed upon deal, but nothing finalized.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 7:41 pm to shel311
Woj reporting the Cavs are no longer seeking another young talent or top pick and will settle for second-round considerations.
Sounds like the Cavs tossed out a lure with no bait on it and couldn't even get a nibble
Sounds like the Cavs tossed out a lure with no bait on it and couldn't even get a nibble
Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:00 pm to GeauxAggie972
quote:I'm confused...maybe.
Woj reporting the Cavs are no longer seeking another young talent or top pick and will settle for second-round considerations.
Sounds like the Cavs tossed out a lure with no bait on it and couldn't even get a nibble
If that's the case, that basically guarantees that the Cavs do actually believe IT4 will likely miss most or the entire season, right?
Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:12 am to GeauxAggie972
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Woj reporting the Cavs are no longer seeking another young talent or top pick and will settle for second-round considerations.
Sounds like the Cavs tossed out a lure with no bait on it and couldn't even get a nibble
Vardon reported that the Cavs never asked for anything else and this was all made up by Woj.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:52 am to LSUTigKyl
I was just having fun. I am in agreement that between lucky draw of balls and injury to teams ahead in theory, nets pick can end up any from first overall down to 11.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:51 am to Fus0623
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Bucks have offered Brogdon and Middleton for Kyrie. Haven't included a 1st yet but they're willin to get the deal done
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Not much "star power", but realistically Middleton is an upgrade over Crowder. Brogdon is a plug and play SG. Maybe throw in an unprotected 1st and take Shump and send back Delly its a done deal.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 9:56 am to htran90
They'd be better defensively, that's for sure. But still that BKN pick is more valuable imo. The question is does Cleveland think the same
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:27 am to htran90
quote:How do you figure? He's only a year younger, his contract is > 7 million more than Crowder--more than twice as much--and his stats are inferior. 538 projects 1.3 fewer wins above replacement than Crowder.
but realistically Middleton is an upgrade over Crowder.
Not only would that probably be a downgrade, it would be a downgrade for twice the cost. Even if IT's injury limits him significantly, the Celtics deal is far better than the Bucks deal.
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:30 am to buckeye_vol
Plus I think Brogdon plays well under Kidd and he also turns 25 in December, so he was an old rookie last year. I still think the Boston deal is better even with the uncertainty of IT4
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:31 am to buckeye_vol
He's better offensively but not as good defensively. For twice the amount it probably isn't worth it. Even an unprotected 1st rounder from the Bucks is gonna be what, in the mid 20s?
The Bucks trade may help right now, but puts the Cavs in a jam when/if trying to rebuild post Lebron. I guess you could always swing deals for Love and Middleton next year to acquire assets. Doubtful with how good this top end of the draft is supposed to be though, you could get a premium draft pick.
The Bucks trade may help right now, but puts the Cavs in a jam when/if trying to rebuild post Lebron. I guess you could always swing deals for Love and Middleton next year to acquire assets. Doubtful with how good this top end of the draft is supposed to be though, you could get a premium draft pick.
Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:38 am to buckeye_vol
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How do you figure? He's only a year younger, his contract is > 7 million more than Crowder--more than twice as much--and his stats are inferior. 538 projects 1.3 fewer wins above replacement than Crowder.
Not only would that probably be a downgrade, it would be a downgrade for twice the cost. Even if IT's injury limits him significantly, the Celtics deal is far better than the Bucks deal.
Contracts aside because I don't think the #s really matter to them, I think Middleton could do more offensively (ball handling, passing, 3pt shooting) than Crowder. Crowder is a better defender, but Middleton has the size that can match up better as a SG or SF in the playoffs.
I'm thinking purely from a "LeBron-led team" in what you'd need. I think the value of an elite 3pt shooter (4/5 years >35%; career 40.4%) who is average on defense and can ball handle in spurts is more important than an above average 3pt shooter (1/6 years >35%; career 34.6%) who plays above average defense.
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