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re: Is Tony Gwynn the greatest hitter of all-time?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:39 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:39 am to Tiger Ryno
Did anyone mention Rose?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:43 am to bigeztiger
quote:you bet!
Did anyone mention Rose?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:45 am to Lester Earl
I know what the 5 tools are. "pure" hitter is always used to qualify someone as being a better hitter and it makes no sense.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:22 pm to Pilot Tiger
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Pilot Tiger
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lol Pete Rose isn't even in the top 10 of greatest hitters of all time
nice troll
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:24 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
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For this category, there's Babe Ruth, and then there's everyone else.
What Babe Ruth did was amazing.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:27 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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"pure" hitter is always used to qualify someone as being a better hitter and it makes no sense.
It explains someone who can do multiple things at the plate. Hit the other way, hit for power, hit for average, protect the plate, etc.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:50 pm to bayouboy33
quote:I'm dead serious
nice troll
why do you think pete rose is a top 10 hitter?
he's 148th ALL TIME in batting average
and he's 493rd ALL TIME in OPS+
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 12:57 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
why do you think pete rose is a top 10 hitter?
4,256
Posted on 6/17/14 at 1:16 pm to bayouboy33
I think Stan Musial was a considerably better hitter than Gwynn based purely off of numbers. Pujols too.
Musial - 331/417/559/976
Gwynn - 338/388/459/847
Pujols - 319/406/595/1001
With that being said, there was something to say about how unique of a hitter Gwynn was. Not selective when it came to taking pitches but an extremely high contact rate which is why he never struck out. He never let the count get to two pitches and when he did, he didnt miss. He prlly has some of the best hand/eye coordination of any human being ever. I read somewhere yesterday that in 2440 games played, Gwynn only struck out 3 times in one game.................once! That's amazing.
Musial - 331/417/559/976
Gwynn - 338/388/459/847
Pujols - 319/406/595/1001
With that being said, there was something to say about how unique of a hitter Gwynn was. Not selective when it came to taking pitches but an extremely high contact rate which is why he never struck out. He never let the count get to two pitches and when he did, he didnt miss. He prlly has some of the best hand/eye coordination of any human being ever. I read somewhere yesterday that in 2440 games played, Gwynn only struck out 3 times in one game.................once! That's amazing.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 1:17 pm to MusicMaster
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Ok. Fair enough,but him saying that Gwynn was just a batting avg hitter and Cobb was not is absurd.
Cobb played most of his career in the dead ball era, Gwynn didn't. I think the comparison is fair however.
Both chose to forgo home runs for getting on base more.
Greatest hitter? Ted Williams.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 1:18 pm to bayouboy33
quote:
4,256
That's purely a longevity statistic.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 1:27 pm to cubsfan5150
Oh my this thread...
I'm not sure what's worse, the guy that put Wade Boggs as a top 3 hitter of all time or the guy that thinks people are trolling for not putting Rose in their top 2.
This thread might be better if it was "greatest contact hitter of all time", but as an all around hitter Gwynn isn't close to guys like Ruth, Bonds, Williams, Gehrig, Mantle, Musial, etc
I'm not sure what's worse, the guy that put Wade Boggs as a top 3 hitter of all time or the guy that thinks people are trolling for not putting Rose in their top 2.
This thread might be better if it was "greatest contact hitter of all time", but as an all around hitter Gwynn isn't close to guys like Ruth, Bonds, Williams, Gehrig, Mantle, Musial, etc
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 1:28 pm to GynoSandberg
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Cobb also played when the league had 16 teams with no blacks or Latinos.
Let's have some context here.
OK context... Cobb played when there were essentially no other sports. The athletes all went to baseball.
He played when spitballs were legal and the strike zone was from the armpits to the knees.
He had no video to assist him in figuring out opposing pitchers. No sabremetrics to help him increase his odds.
Each era had it's idiosyncrasies, but you could make relatively fair comparisons across the generations of the live ball era until steroids came along.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 1:30 pm to cubsfan5150
For me it is Mr. Charlie Hustle (Pete Rose).
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 6/17/14 at 1:43 pm to Pilot Tiger
Stan Musial was an amazing hitter. For a LONG time.
And like Babe Ruth, he started out as a pitcher- although he did not pitch as long or as well as Ruth.
And like Babe Ruth, he started out as a pitcher- although he did not pitch as long or as well as Ruth.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 1:55 pm to LSUDAN1
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For me it is Mr. Charlie Hustle (Pete Rose).
Are the people saying "Rose" serious, or is this a board joke I don't know about? Having the most hits doesn't make you the best hitter. Rose has the most hits ever, he also made almost 1,200 more outs than anybody else ever.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 1:57 pm to witty alias
quote:I hope not
Are the people saying "Rose" serious
Posted on 6/17/14 at 2:01 pm to Pilot Tiger
Lol at people saying Pete Rose
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