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Is Theo Epstein the best GM of all time ?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 6:55 am
Posted on 11/3/16 at 6:55 am
He won the WS with two different teams , both of whom were storied franchises but yet had gone 80 plus and 100 plus years respectively without a winning a WS.
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Posted on 11/3/16 at 6:56 am to michael corleone
Yes. No doubt, most innovative executive of the time.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 6:59 am to michael corleone
2 high resource franchises.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:01 am to Overbrook
quote:yet they went 180 years combined with no title
2 high resource franchises.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:39 am to Overbrook
quote:
2 high resource franchises.
Yeah, I think that is overlooked.
Can't argue with success, but frick these teams really opened the purse strings to help him out.
Additionally, being bad for so long gave him a wealth of talent to play with, at least in Chicago, not sure how much that was in play in Boston.
I understand your point about the timeframe etc, but both of those teams were in pretty good position.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:42 am to Overbrook
quote:how were those resources when he went there?
2 high resource franchises.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:45 am to TennesseeFan25
He has to be in the comversation. Yes he has money to work with in Chicago, but he didnt really make any huge free agent aquisitions until a couple years ago (3 years into his tenure). The core of this team was put together through the draft and a couple of great trades.
Schwarber- 2014 draft
Bryant- 2013 draft
Almora- 2012 draft
Baez- 2011 draft
Russell- trade w/OAK 2014
Rizzo- trade w/SD 2012
Fowler- trade w/HOU 2015
Arrieta & Strop- trade w/BAL 2013
Hendricks- trade w/TEX 2012
Schwarber- 2014 draft
Bryant- 2013 draft
Almora- 2012 draft
Baez- 2011 draft
Russell- trade w/OAK 2014
Rizzo- trade w/SD 2012
Fowler- trade w/HOU 2015
Arrieta & Strop- trade w/BAL 2013
Hendricks- trade w/TEX 2012
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 8:07 am
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:50 am to TennesseeFan25
eh...they are about middle of the road with their payroll. He drafted well with CHC and developed the young talent.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:51 am to TennesseeFan25
You're clueless. Middle of the pack in salary. He made 2 high profile signings. 1 worked
EVERY OTHER CONTRIBUTION WAS THROUGH THE DRAFT OR TRADE.
EVERY OTHER CONTRIBUTION WAS THROUGH THE DRAFT OR TRADE.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:55 am to BCMCubs
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Rizzo- trade w/SD 2012
Drafted Rizzo with the Red Sox...dude has an incredible eye for talent
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:57 am to michael corleone
Probably so. What he did in Chicago is more impressive I think than Boston. With the first title in Boston he stepped into a contender in Boston with Pedro, Manny, Varitek, Damon, Trot Nixon already on the roster. He made some great moves to add Ortiz, Schilling and Bill Mueller and then drafted the youth that was on the 07 title team
He had a full rebuild in Chicago and managed perfectly. People can make comments about the Cubs resources but he spent in a smart way and only added when they were truly a contender. Heyward is the only bad contract on that team (and it's real bad but still)
He had a full rebuild in Chicago and managed perfectly. People can make comments about the Cubs resources but he spent in a smart way and only added when they were truly a contender. Heyward is the only bad contract on that team (and it's real bad but still)
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 7:58 am
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:57 am to John Gotti
Not to hijack....but if I gotta pick one reason why we won THIS year. Dexter Fowler decided to re-sign at the last minute for less money than other places on an ONE YEAR DEAL. Who in the hell signs 1 year deals in baseball????
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:59 am to BCMCubs
quote:
Schwarber- 2014 draft
Bryant- 2013 draft
Almora- 2012 draft
Baez- 2011 draft
Russell- trade w/OAK 2014
Rizzo- trade w/SD 2012
Fowler- trade w/HOU 2015
Arrieta-trade 2013
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:59 am to Schmelly
definitely can't be overlooked...hate to lose him next year.
To answer your question...he understood what they had in chicago and chose a ring over money.
To answer your question...he understood what they had in chicago and chose a ring over money.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:59 am to Schmelly
quote:
Dexter Fowler decided to re-sign at the last minute for less money than other places on an ONE YEAR DEAL. Who in the hell signs 1 year deals in baseball????
as Dexter goes, we go
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:00 am to John Gotti
I know but ONE YEAR?!? Lol
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:00 am to bwallcubfan
The straw
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:01 am to bwallcubfan
quote:
Schwarber- 2014 draft Bryant- 2013 draft Almora- 2012 draft Baez- 2011 draft Russell- trade w/OAK 2014 Rizzo- trade w/SD 2012 Fowler- trade w/HOU 2015 Arrieta-trade 2013
Hendricks - trade
(Thank you Ryan Dempster for using your no trade clause)
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 8:03 am
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:04 am to bwallcubfan
Ridiculous trade
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:07 am to michael corleone
I would much rather have John Mozeliak
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