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re: Is Ted Williams 84 game on base streak more impressive than DiMaggio's 56...
Posted on 5/25/15 at 11:39 pm to JW6
Posted on 5/25/15 at 11:39 pm to JW6
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56 game hitting streak is the best individual stat of all time by a long shot
Not sure about that...What hershier did in 1988 is gonna be tough to beat...59 straight innings without giving up a run by a starting pitcher will be tough to top...........
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Posted on 5/26/15 at 4:04 am to dukke v
I guess I'm torn on Ted Williams batting over .400 VS. the 84 game on base streak. Which one of those records is harder to reach?
ETA: DiMaggio with 56 game streak is the greatest star there is in baseball
ETA: DiMaggio with 56 game streak is the greatest star there is in baseball
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 4:06 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 8:35 am to TOKEN
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Ted Williams batting over .400 VS
Also Williams missed a few years in the prime of his career immediately after posting these averages due to the war. Imagine the possibilities if he had kept playing those years in his prime....
ETA: Why aren't we comparing Williams' .406 season average with anything else? I think Williams would arguably win at all season comparisons?
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 8:42 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 10:48 am to meeple
From when DiMaggio started the streak until when his hit streak ended, Williams had a higher batting average during that period.
Ted should have been the MVP.
Ted should have been the MVP.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:02 am to meeple
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ETA: Why aren't we comparing Williams' .406 season average with anything else? I think Williams would arguably win at all season comparisons?
we are, .406 & 56 game hit streak were the same season
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Also Williams missed a few years in the prime of his career immediately after posting these averages due to the war
He was batting .400 in both years(shortened) he lost to Korea as well, cost him 250 hits 50 Hrs
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:09 am to TigerintheNO
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Ted should have been the MVP.
There were three different seasons that Joe won the MVP cause the Yanks won the pennant. In those years Teddy had better stats.........
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:28 am to ZZTIGERS
I think 84 is more helpful to your team and speaks more to your worth as a player, but 56 is harder to do and more impressive.
Williams could do two things to extend his streak, DiMaggio could only do one.
Williams could do two things to extend his streak, DiMaggio could only do one.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 11:31 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:32 am to dukke v
twice Williams won the triple crown and didn't win MVP (once was Berra, don't remember the other winner)
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:34 am to TigerintheNO
I think it was a little bit because of the Yankees' pennant wins, and a lot bit because Ted hated the media and they resented him for that, correct?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:36 am to meeple
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ETA: Why aren't we comparing Williams' .406 season average with anything else? I think Williams would arguably win at all season comparisons?
Not really. The league average BA at Fenway Park in 1941 was .278. It would be equivalent to a batter hitting .370 for the season in today's game. Impressive but far from impossible. Also, George Brett's 1980 season and Tony Gwynn's 1994 season were every bit as good as Williams 1941 season when you compare their numbers to the rest of the league.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:36 am to BayouBengals03
What counts in the on base streak?
We know:
- walks
- hits
- hbp
What about?
- errors
- dropped 3rd strikes
- fielder's decision
Does that count as well?
We know:
- walks
- hits
- hbp
What about?
- errors
- dropped 3rd strikes
- fielder's decision
Does that count as well?
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:37 am to tduecen
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What about?
- errors
- dropped 3rd strikes
- fielder's decision
Does that count as well?
I don't believe so.
I think it's just hits, walks, hbp. But someone might know more than me.
ETA: Fielder's decisions definitely shouldn't count if an out is recorded at another base.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 11:41 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:43 am to BayouBengals03
Well yeah not sure if they going by same as what OBP goes by or just that he was "on base" ya know? If they going by how many times he is just on base it really diminishes the stat, even errors/dropped 3rd strike would diminish it.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:45 am to dukke v
In 1941, DiMaggio had a 9.1 WAR season while Williams had a 10.6 WAR season. Did Williams have the better season? Maybe. Did he get completely hosed by voters? Absolutely not. 1947 OTOH was a screw job of epic proportions.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:45 am to tduecen
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Cabrera had a 63-game on-base streak in early-through-mid-2006, which was among the top five streaks of all time. Ted Williams holds the Major League record with 84 straight games reaching base by a hit, walk, or hit-by-pitch.
ETA: So basically, it only includes outcomes that increase on-base percentage.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 11:47 am
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:48 am to tduecen
According to Wiki:
quote:
OBP is a measure of how often a batter reaches base for any reason other than a fielding error, fielder's choice, dropped/uncaught third strike, fielder's obstruction, or catcher's interference
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:49 am to ZZTIGERS
Ted Williams once reached base safely in 16 straight at-bats, by either a hit, walk, or hit-by-pitch.
The all-time record for consecutive at-bats reaching base in any way (base hit, walk, hit-by-pitch, error, fielder's choice, dropped third strike, catcher's interference and fielder's obstruction) is 17.
That's insane.
The all-time record for consecutive at-bats reaching base in any way (base hit, walk, hit-by-pitch, error, fielder's choice, dropped third strike, catcher's interference and fielder's obstruction) is 17.
That's insane.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:00 pm to tduecen
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tduecen
Do the Yankees inevitably have to give Betances another shot as a starter?
He's having the best start to a season by a reliever in a long time. It's ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/26/15 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:09 pm to BayouBengals03
Nah I doubt they ever do that, he is and forever will be a reliever... I expect him to be the #1 closer before seasons end or next year.
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