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Is it weird that Tom Izzo won a championship in 2000...
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:00 pm
...but hasn't won it since?
Or is it not really weird at all?
Or is it not really weird at all?
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Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:01 pm to RidiculousHype
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s it weird that Tom Izzo won a championship in 2000...
...but hasn't won it since?
Or is it not really weird at all?
I think it just shows how difficult it is to win the NCAA Tournament.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:04 pm to RidiculousHype
It would be interesting to see how his '06 and '16 teams would have fared had they avoided the Mason and MTSU banana skins. That Flintstones squad was legit though. His 09 team was damn good but had to face a legendary UNC team in the final.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:04 pm to RidiculousHype
No. Winning a 64 team tournament is rather difficult. It's much more difficult than winning a poll / winning a 2 team tournament / winning a 4 team tournament in football. Several all time greats don't have multiple national championships. Jim Boeheim, for example, also only has one.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:04 pm to RidiculousHype
Lot of great teams in there and amazing consistency.
I feel like he thought when the pro jobs came up that he could outlast Coach K and win another title or two. Unfortunately, for him, K kept going and going, Calipari started to own CB, and yet the guy who owns him more than anyone is Huckleberry Hound. Izzo is missing some shots on the four year/one and done balance now. He's an incredible coach, but it's nice to see him vulnerable for a change.
I feel like he thought when the pro jobs came up that he could outlast Coach K and win another title or two. Unfortunately, for him, K kept going and going, Calipari started to own CB, and yet the guy who owns him more than anyone is Huckleberry Hound. Izzo is missing some shots on the four year/one and done balance now. He's an incredible coach, but it's nice to see him vulnerable for a change.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:07 pm to RidiculousHype
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Or is it not really weird at all?
Basketball takes luck, talent and circumstance.
And the tournament takes that in spades.
Too many teams...
Half the winners are often flukes or get hot at the right time. Tournament is too bloated.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:07 pm to RidiculousHype
MSU recruiting has been all over the place since 2000. Top 20 for the most part, but several years where they really stunk it up. None of those classes were particularly memorable. When you consider how well the blue bloods have recruited over this period, it's not that weird.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:10 pm to RidiculousHype
It seems like Izzo does best when he's flying under the radar a bit, not complete underdog but kind of afterthought.
Aka this year they will probably make some noise out of nowhere
Aka this year they will probably make some noise out of nowhere
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:16 pm to RidiculousHype
It's not weird but Izzo is an interesting case study for how people evaluate coaches in regards to regular season and tournament performance
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:22 pm to Bags of Milk
He's been to 7 final 4s....that is winning IMO, I would give anything for my team to get to "A" final 4 let alone the championship game or to win it all.
This ain't college football prom queen contest, this tourney separates the men from the boys....and there are no FLUKEs, maybe a round or two, after that it's legit.
This ain't college football prom queen contest, this tourney separates the men from the boys....and there are no FLUKEs, maybe a round or two, after that it's legit.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:23 pm to Bags of Milk
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It seems like Izzo does best when he's flying under the radar a bit, not complete underdog but kind of afterthought
I agree. He's made the Final Four as a 5 seed and as a 7 seed in the past.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:28 pm to RidiculousHype
Basketball version of Bob Stoops
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:29 pm to RidiculousHype
Bobby Knight won 3 championships...in 40 years...and he's considered a coaching legend/genius...even back when the tournament wasn't as even.
Even the great GOAT John Wooden won 10 Nattys in 30 years. The best ever - the absolute best ever no question - took many years and had many years of no Nattys.
It's not easy to work your way to a place where you can dominate...and even if you do work your way to that place...you can easily be knocked off. Look at Calhoun...Bob Knight in the 90's...Even coach K has been questioned. Boeheim. Calipari is attacked, Pitino was...
Ben Howland took UCLA to 3 Final Fours in 4 years and got fricking FIRED!!!!!!!
Even the great GOAT John Wooden won 10 Nattys in 30 years. The best ever - the absolute best ever no question - took many years and had many years of no Nattys.
It's not easy to work your way to a place where you can dominate...and even if you do work your way to that place...you can easily be knocked off. Look at Calhoun...Bob Knight in the 90's...Even coach K has been questioned. Boeheim. Calipari is attacked, Pitino was...
Ben Howland took UCLA to 3 Final Fours in 4 years and got fricking FIRED!!!!!!!
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:56 pm to Black n Gold
Yeah, I don't get why MSU doesn't consistently have top ten classes.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 9:58 pm to RidiculousHype
Up until I think last year every single 4 yr player that's played for Izzo made it to the Final 4 at least once. That's impressive
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:05 pm to RidiculousHype
Not really, I mean look at all the talent Dean Smith had in Chapel Hill. Yet he "only" won two national titles.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:14 pm to S
06 wasn't doing shite. They underachieved all year. Last year would have been more interesting. Definitely a final four type team. But Roy Toy owns Izzo so if they had to play them in the final four it would prolly be another FF loss
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:16 pm to tonyperkis
Cleaves was annoying. I did like Peterson though...
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Even the great GOAT John Wooden won 10 Nattys in 30 years. The best ever - the absolute best ever no question - took many years and had many years of no Nattys.
I don't like Duke or Coach K, but I think what he's done is more impressive than Wooden. By a fair amount too.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:44 pm to Hot Carl
Shows how underrated jim Calhoun is
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