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Is it ever worth it to kick a FG inside the 5 yard line?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:30 pm
Barring a game winning FG obviously. I mean in the beginning or middle of still competitive games. So many times I will see a team get stopped on the goal line and then trot out the kicker to try a FG that is shorter than a PAT.
I've always felt like the risk in getting that touchdown is worth so much more than turning it over on downs. At the worst you don't get any points, but the other team is hiking the ball in their own end zone.
I've always felt like the risk in getting that touchdown is worth so much more than turning it over on downs. At the worst you don't get any points, but the other team is hiking the ball in their own end zone.
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Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:31 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Gotta take the points.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:35 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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I've always felt like the risk in getting that touchdown is worth so much more than turning it over on downs. At the worst you don't get any points, but the other team is hiking the ball in their own end zone.
I think you take the points cause its an easy 3. On the other hand i don't think nearly enough teams go for it between 50 and opponents 40
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:36 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
This is my feeling as well.
Two things can happen:
1) you get the Touchdown. best case senerio, you get 4 extra points and a world of momentum
2) You dont get it. Momentum takes a hit but you basically get an amazing punt inside the 5 with a chance to get a saftey or awesome field position on the next possesion
JMO
Two things can happen:
1) you get the Touchdown. best case senerio, you get 4 extra points and a world of momentum
2) You dont get it. Momentum takes a hit but you basically get an amazing punt inside the 5 with a chance to get a saftey or awesome field position on the next possesion
JMO
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:42 pm to wildtigercat93
3-0
6-0
9-0
12-0
15-0
Those points add up over the course of a game.
6-0
9-0
12-0
15-0
Those points add up over the course of a game.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:42 pm to wildtigercat93
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Two things can happen:
Or you could fumble and West Virginia could run it back for a TD.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:45 pm to VABuckeye
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3-0
6-0
9-0
12-0
15-0
Those points add up over the course of a game.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:48 pm to VABuckeye
ISWYDT
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:52 pm to LSUBoo
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Or you could fumble and West Virginia could run it back for a TD.
So you should kick it on first down then so you dont fumble?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 12:58 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Just because the other team would start with their back to their own goal line, assuming you go for it on 4 and goal and are stopped, doesn't mean you're going to get good field position. They could actually put a drive together, it's not unheard of.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:04 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Some statistics geeks did an in-depth study about this a few years ago. Their conclusion was that a team should always go for it at the goal line, unless end of game. I'll see if I can find it. I read an article about the study, not the actual study.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:10 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I think it depends on a lot of things
Is the first down marker less than a yard away? Do you have a good short yardage game?
If it looks like a high probability play for you to pick up the first down then I think you should go for it.
Is the first down marker less than a yard away? Do you have a good short yardage game?
If it looks like a high probability play for you to pick up the first down then I think you should go for it.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:16 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Coaches are way to conservative in the game of football.
Punt on way to many 4th downs, and when they do go for it they are way to conservative in their play calling.
Think about it like this. YOu drove the ball probably 45 yards averaging probably 7 yards + a play and you don't have faith in your team to get you the last 5. Also if you do turn it over that overly conservative coach on the other side is going to call plays that give you the ball back at the 50.
I guess it is theories like this why I am not a coach.
Punt on way to many 4th downs, and when they do go for it they are way to conservative in their play calling.
Think about it like this. YOu drove the ball probably 45 yards averaging probably 7 yards + a play and you don't have faith in your team to get you the last 5. Also if you do turn it over that overly conservative coach on the other side is going to call plays that give you the ball back at the 50.
I guess it is theories like this why I am not a coach.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:17 pm to bddwolfpack
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Just because the other team would start with their back to their own goal line, assuming you go for it on 4 and goal and are stopped, doesn't mean you're going to get good field position. They could actually put a drive together, it's not unheard of.
I know, but the chances are far greater of you scoring with one play inside your five than them going 95 yards and scoring.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:25 pm to LSUtigersarefun
quote:probably so.
Coaches are way to conservative in the game of football. Punt on way to many 4th downs, and when they do go for it they are way to conservative in their play calling. Think about it like this. YOu drove the ball probably 45 yards averaging probably 7 yards + a play and you don't have faith in your team to get you the last 5. Also if you do turn it over that overly conservative coach on the other side is going to call plays that give you the ball back at the 50. I guess it is theories like this why I am not a coach.
To the OP. Take the points while you can unless its 4th and inches and you feel confident with the sneak. Those points matter.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:35 pm to 7thWardTiger
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To the OP. Take the points while you can unless its 4th and inches and you feel confident with the sneak. Those points matter.
I think the next generation of coaching will be to apply sabermetrics to football, and you will see some new strategies things applied
This post was edited on 1/13/12 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:44 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
There are many factors to consider.
If the two teams are high scoring offenses with bad defenses then ya gotta go for TDs. Each possession is critical.
If the teams have strong defenses weak offenses then the 3 points becomes bigger.
Also, if the weather is bad. Rain, strong winds, muddy field, then the score is gonna be lower so you take the 3 points.
If the two teams are high scoring offenses with bad defenses then ya gotta go for TDs. Each possession is critical.
If the teams have strong defenses weak offenses then the 3 points becomes bigger.
Also, if the weather is bad. Rain, strong winds, muddy field, then the score is gonna be lower so you take the 3 points.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:51 pm to Zach
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Also, if the weather is bad. Rain, strong winds, muddy field, then the score is gonna be lower so you take the 3 points.
See, my thinking there would be, go for it and if you get it you have a huge advantage. If not, you're only down three points where neither team is scoring that much anyway.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:54 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
About 5 years ago I woulda said go for the TD, but since then I've seen so many games decided by less than 3 points where the losing team went for the 7 instead of taking the points. Gotta take points any way you can get them, especially in the NFL. College teams can score way more easily so I wouldn't mind seeing more teams go for 7
Posted on 1/13/12 at 3:31 pm to GeauxDT
As a coach i think you take the points unless the game dictates otherwise.
Only exception is if the ball is inside the 1 yard line. Big difference between 4th and 4 and 4th and inches. Also a big difference on what the other team can do with the ball inside the one vs on the 4 if you don't make it.
Only exception is if the ball is inside the 1 yard line. Big difference between 4th and 4 and 4th and inches. Also a big difference on what the other team can do with the ball inside the one vs on the 4 if you don't make it.
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