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How Underrated Could Ohio State Be?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:25 pm
It's sort of a two-part question. First of all, I acknowledge that Ohio State lost an absurd amount of talent from last year so if the preseason rankings are supposed to predict who are the best teams right now, they're probably accurately ranked.
However, if you think the preseason rankings should be your prediction of how teams will finish, I don't know how Ohio State isn't top 4. If they're able to manage the schedule early, they are gonna be hell on wheels late.
Meyer has shown he rarely does his best work when his teams are the odds-on favorites. For whatever reason he needs the young, talented squads that jell over the course of the season as opposed to the pre-eminent favorites. Only Bama and FSU have recruited better so lack of talent won't be an issue, and by season's end that talent will have quite a bit of experience.
They also have one of the most overlooked players in the country. How no one is talking about JT Barrett is something I'll never understand. In a year where there's Idk 3-4 good QBs, he becomes a very legit All American candidate. Before he got tied up in Meyer's terrible handling of the Cardale Jones circus, he was a legit Heisman contender. I have no clue why he wasn't starting the minute he returned, but that's Meyer's decision. Fortunately he doesn't have any distractions to deal with and Barrett can be the man again.
If this team grows and jells like a lot of Meyer's overlooked teams have throughout the years, they are gonna be quite the out by the time the season is over. I expect they'll stomp Michigan again, and that statement win could propel them to the Playoffs (if they have an early season loss, if they were undefeated they'd obviously be in).
However, if you think the preseason rankings should be your prediction of how teams will finish, I don't know how Ohio State isn't top 4. If they're able to manage the schedule early, they are gonna be hell on wheels late.
Meyer has shown he rarely does his best work when his teams are the odds-on favorites. For whatever reason he needs the young, talented squads that jell over the course of the season as opposed to the pre-eminent favorites. Only Bama and FSU have recruited better so lack of talent won't be an issue, and by season's end that talent will have quite a bit of experience.
They also have one of the most overlooked players in the country. How no one is talking about JT Barrett is something I'll never understand. In a year where there's Idk 3-4 good QBs, he becomes a very legit All American candidate. Before he got tied up in Meyer's terrible handling of the Cardale Jones circus, he was a legit Heisman contender. I have no clue why he wasn't starting the minute he returned, but that's Meyer's decision. Fortunately he doesn't have any distractions to deal with and Barrett can be the man again.
If this team grows and jells like a lot of Meyer's overlooked teams have throughout the years, they are gonna be quite the out by the time the season is over. I expect they'll stomp Michigan again, and that statement win could propel them to the Playoffs (if they have an early season loss, if they were undefeated they'd obviously be in).
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:28 pm to FootballNostradamus
They are an SEC-Level program playing in the Midwest. Michigan St and Michigan will test them, but they'll be more talented than every team they play aside from maybe OU.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:28 pm to FootballNostradamus
I absolutely see them as an undefeated or one loss team with Barrett being a Heisman candidate. They have been reloading on talent since Meyer got there. I think everyone is a year or two early predicting Michigan's rise to a CFP team
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:28 pm to FootballNostradamus
They have 3 games they have to win. Actually only 2 I guess. They can lose to Oklahoma and if they win the last 2 they'll be in.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:38 pm to PortCityTiger24
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They are an SEC-Level program playing in the Midwest
They are so much better over the last 3 years than any team not named Bama in that conference, and they are probably equal to Bama over that span
And to answer the original question they aren't underrated. You can't be in the top 3 when you have 10 guys taken in the first 3 rounds, or better yet, you shouldn't be
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:39 pm to FootballNostradamus
They damn near lost the whole team, which you aknowledged and are ranked #6, which speaks to how great Urban Meyer is, so people aren't doubting that. So I'm not sure what your title means exactly
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:41 pm to FootballNostradamus
looks like they are rated about right to me?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:49 pm to Buckeye06
quote:Yep.
quote:
They are an SEC-Level program playing in the Midwest
They are so much better over the last 3 years than any team not named Bama in that conference, and they are probably equal to Bama over that span
Posted on 8/31/16 at 12:53 pm to FootballNostradamus
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However, if you think the preseason rankings should be your prediction of how teams will finish,
Who looks at preseason rankings in that way?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:09 pm to castorinho
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They damn near lost the whole team, which you aknowledged and are ranked #6, which speaks to how great Urban Meyer is, so people aren't doubting that. So I'm not sure what your title means exactly
It means exactly what I said it means. When Ohio State and Oklahoma play in week 3 I expect it to be a very good game, but by season's end I expect Ohio State's matured, experienced talent would throttle Oklahoma.
So like the thread says, if you think preseason rankings should be an indicator of where teams are right now, then they're probably accurately rated. However, if they are used as predictive measures (which most people use them for that when they compare good or bad how well a team finished), then they are way low.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:21 pm to GeauxColonels
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Who looks at preseason rankings in that way?
If they don't then what's the point of people always comparing how teams were relative to their preseason rankings? Why would people mention schedules with regards to rankings if they weren't taking into account how teams will fare throughout the season?
Everyone clearly looks at preseason rankings with atleast some mind's eye on them being predictive in nature.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:25 pm to FootballNostradamus
quote:People are overlook this dude big time.
JT Barrett
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:27 pm to FootballNostradamus
Ohio St. Is still the class of the big ten until Michigan can beat them. So yes, barring any injury I see a 10 or11 win season before the bowls.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:41 pm to dukke v
Ohio St. has won 1 of the last 5 Big Ten titles. Sparty has won 2 of the last 3. If I'm putting my money on anyone based solely on reputation right now, it's Michigan St.
Ohio St lost a ton of talent and yes, they've recruited very, very well, but we don't know how unexperienced talent will play. That's what caused LSU to dip slightly: the inexperience. Blithely assuming Ohio St is like Bama, when really no one has ever done what Saban is doing, seems like a pretty big leap of faith.
There's also Urb's track record at Florida. He built an awesome program, and as soon as he had big graduation, after his back to back 13-1 seasons, the team went 8-5 and then he was fired (and the team, depleted by early defections and his absence, went 7-6).
I'd also point out Ohio St dropped from 6th to 29th in yards/play with roughly the same talent, but losing OC guru Tom Herman.
All that said, OSU is the Big Ten favorite, but I see no earthly way you can make a serious argument they are underrated. They are the preseason Big Ten favorite and ranked 6th in the national poll. That is an extraordinary amount of benefit of the doubt they are getting.
Ohio St lost a ton of talent and yes, they've recruited very, very well, but we don't know how unexperienced talent will play. That's what caused LSU to dip slightly: the inexperience. Blithely assuming Ohio St is like Bama, when really no one has ever done what Saban is doing, seems like a pretty big leap of faith.
There's also Urb's track record at Florida. He built an awesome program, and as soon as he had big graduation, after his back to back 13-1 seasons, the team went 8-5 and then he was fired (and the team, depleted by early defections and his absence, went 7-6).
I'd also point out Ohio St dropped from 6th to 29th in yards/play with roughly the same talent, but losing OC guru Tom Herman.
All that said, OSU is the Big Ten favorite, but I see no earthly way you can make a serious argument they are underrated. They are the preseason Big Ten favorite and ranked 6th in the national poll. That is an extraordinary amount of benefit of the doubt they are getting.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:26 pm to Buckeye06
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They are so much better over the last 3 years than any team not named Bama in that conference, and they are probably equal to Bama over that span
And to answer the original question they aren't underrated. You can't be in the top 3 when you have 10 guys taken in the first 3 rounds, or better yet, you shouldn't be
They play no one.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:31 pm to PortCityTiger24
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They play no one.
They beat the SEC and Pac 12 champ to win the title. No matter what you want to say, they beat the champs from the 2 alleged best conferences. And they beat a team (Michigan State) on the road who beat the winners of the Big 12
Last year, OSU boatraced ND in the Fiesta bowl, the same ND who was within a field goal of both Stanford and Clemson, both of those games on the road.
I'm not saying OSU should be in the top 6 right now, I would have them in the 8-12 range myself, but they have beaten 5 TOP 10 end of year teams the last 2 years (MSU, Michigan, ND, Bama, Oregon) and Wisconsin by 60
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:34 pm to FootballNostradamus
Think they became so underrated that they're now overrated, at least in the media. Seems like EVERYONE is picking them to win the Big10 now.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:37 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Seems like EVERYONE is picking them to win the Big10 now.
I've seen a pretty healthy 50/50 split with Michigan, and not one person has picked Michigan State
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:51 pm to FootballNostradamus
They're the 5th best team in the Big10 this year
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:54 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Typing it doesn't make it true no matter how much you wish it was.
They are easily the most talented team in the B1G and one of the top 5 talented teams in the country. Well coached talent tends to win out.
They are easily the most talented team in the B1G and one of the top 5 talented teams in the country. Well coached talent tends to win out.
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