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re: How can you justify saying Magic>Lebron?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:48 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:48 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
quote:
I wish the MJ/magic/bird jock sniffers would just go away
Not a chance punk......
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:48 am to Tigerfan56
Just to actually give this thread a little credibility with stats:
Playoff averages per 36 minutes:
LBJ - 23.6 pts, 7.2 rebs, 5.5 asts, 48% from the floor
Magic - 17.7 pts, 7.0 rebs, 11.2 asts, 50.6% from the floor
Career numbers:
LBJ - 27.5 pts, 7.2 rebs, 6.9 asts, 49.7% fromt he floor
Magic - 19.5 pts, 7.2 rebs, 11.2 asts, 52% from the field
Playoff averages per 36 minutes:
LBJ - 23.6 pts, 7.2 rebs, 5.5 asts, 48% from the floor
Magic - 17.7 pts, 7.0 rebs, 11.2 asts, 50.6% from the floor
Career numbers:
LBJ - 27.5 pts, 7.2 rebs, 6.9 asts, 49.7% fromt he floor
Magic - 19.5 pts, 7.2 rebs, 11.2 asts, 52% from the field
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:50 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:
PortCityTiger24
Well said............
I still say in their prime... Magic>>>>>Bron....
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:55 am to Tigerfan56
I will never understand why Lebron fans get their panties in such a wad whenever someone says another player was better than him.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:56 am to Cap Crunch
yeah, who gives a shite
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:56 am to Cap Crunch
Can you point to my post where I seem so visibly upset? I'm asking a logical question which I can't understand the answer to
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:57 am to Chad504boy
quote:except when he got AIDS, right?
But what makes a prime Magic Johnson a better basketball player than a prime Lebron James?
Magic never quit on his team.
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:57 am to Tigerfan56
quote:
How can you justify saying Magic>Lebron
depends on what we're talking about...for instance
swallowing huge loads, Magic>Lebron
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:58 am to KosmoCramer
Bron is a scorer.... That's he he needs to do... Magic was a distributer that ran that offense....
Plius once Magic started hitting the three better than when he 1st came into the league he became even WAY more dangerous....
Plius once Magic started hitting the three better than when he 1st came into the league he became even WAY more dangerous....
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:58 am to Chad504boy
quote:
Magic never quit on his team.
Hopefully this was a joke.
Magic was put on a Lakers team with outrageous talent all around him. Lebron brought a crap Cavs team to the finals. Not his fault Dan Gilbert is a terrible owner.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:59 am to dukke v
quote:
Plius once Magic started hitting the three better than when he 1st came into the league he became even WAY more dangerous....
Magic improved as a player as his career progressed? Well, case closed. Lebron hasn't done that
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:00 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
quote:
except when he got AIDS, right?
To be fair here... Macig has NEVER had Aids.. He has HIV.... He had ZERO choice but to quit in the best interest of the rest of the players in the league... Was he stupid for contracting the virus??? SURE...
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:02 pm to dukke v
quote:
To be fair here... Macig has NEVER had Aids.. He has HIV.... He had ZERO choice but to quit in the best interest of the rest of the players in the league... Was he stupid for contracting the virus??? SURE...
Thank you for addressing the important stuff and dodging everything else
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:02 pm to TheCaterpillar
I think LeBron's better overall, but a better passer? Magic averaged 11.19 APG, one of only two players in NBA history to average over 10 assits/game (Stockton is the other at 10.51). Magic is possibly the greatest point guard of all time.
LeBron averages 6.88 APG, 28th all-time. Of course, he's a better scorer and their rebounding averages are the same (7.2 RPG, though that's because neither had a decline phase, and LeBron has a pace argument).
Magic was pretty f'n great. That's not digging in heels, as I do think LeBron is better, but yes, Magic was a better point guard.
LeBron averages 6.88 APG, 28th all-time. Of course, he's a better scorer and their rebounding averages are the same (7.2 RPG, though that's because neither had a decline phase, and LeBron has a pace argument).
Magic was pretty f'n great. That's not digging in heels, as I do think LeBron is better, but yes, Magic was a better point guard.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:03 pm to dukke v
Not that PER is a be-all end-all stat but:
Career PER
LBJ - 27.8
Magic - 24.1
Career PER
LBJ - 27.8
Magic - 24.1
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:05 pm to Tigerfan56
quote:
Thank you for addressing the important stuff and dodging everything else
Ok.. What am I dodging?????? Did you ever see Magic play live????
You must not know much about the sport with your logic... YOU asked a question.. I answered what I felt... If you don't want to get bashed, Don't be a dick. GOT IT........
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:06 pm to KosmoCramer
Another advanced stat that may be useful for this discussion is ORtg (Offensive Rating) which accounts for points produced over 100 possesions:
LBJ - 116
Magic - 121
And win shares/48
LBJ - .243
Magic - .225
LBJ - 116
Magic - 121
And win shares/48
LBJ - .243
Magic - .225
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:07 pm to Baloo
Yea Magic is a much better passer than LBJ and it's not close. LBJ is a better scorer, but his size etc isn't any different as a mismatch than Magic's was at his time.
And yes, when you get to the point where you are making top 5/top 10 lists, you have to go to team achievements as well. Because most, if not all, of us can agree that LBJ is at fringe top 10 all time TODAY (with plenty of time left), then team accomplishments are in the debate.
And yes, when you get to the point where you are making top 5/top 10 lists, you have to go to team achievements as well. Because most, if not all, of us can agree that LBJ is at fringe top 10 all time TODAY (with plenty of time left), then team accomplishments are in the debate.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:07 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:
Playoff averages per 36 minutes: LBJ - 23.6 pts, 7.2 rebs, 5.5 asts, 48% from the floor Magic - 17.7 pts, 7.0 rebs, 11.2 asts, 50.6% from the floor Career numbers: LBJ - 27.5 pts, 7.2 rebs, 6.9 asts, 49.7% fromt he floor Magic - 19.5 pts, 7.2 rebs, 11.2 asts, 52% from the field
Out of curiosity, why did you list their playoff numbers in per 36 form, but regular season as per game?
If anything, I feel you should've flipped those. In the playoffs, when games are must-win, a player playing more minutes shows additional value. In the regular season, there could be a variety of legitimate reasons where a player played less minutes, and it would make sense to compare players based on per 36 minutes to make it even.
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