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Houston would be a 51 win team without Harden according to NBC Sports

Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:24 pm
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:24 pm
Sitting here at half time of the Thunder game and found this gem:

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The Rockets play like a 58-win team with James Harden on the court, and the Thunder play like a 52-win team with Russell Westbrook on the court.

A clear advantage for Harden in the MVP race?

Not quite.

Houston still plays like a 51-win team when Harden sits, and Oklahoma City drops to an 18-win pace without Westbrook.


Another interesting angle:

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And what about about LeBron James? The Cavaliers play like a 61-win team with him and a 19-win team without him.




LINK

I'm sure this information will lead to some very fruitful and fair conversation typical of the MSB!
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 8:26 pm
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:26 pm to
Oh boy, I'm gonna guess AT LEAST 20 pages with Dabigfatass and Boom filling up at least 15 of em alone.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59692 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:27 pm to
Why focus on what players do when ON the court? When we can look at what they do when they OFF the court!!!

How much better harden is than Westbrook when on the court say more about them than any OFF numbers could.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:29 pm to
the thunder with westbrook wont be a 51 win team
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:30 pm to
hey douchebag, ive never once said anything about you or your rapist university, so i dont get why you call me dabigfatass when im dabigfella bc im 6'7 not 400 lbs dummy
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:31 pm to
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hey douchebag, ive never once said anything about you or your rapist university


Bruh, you trolled like every ranger thread I had towards the end of last year.

It's the internet. If you can't handle a little insult from a Baylor fairy I can only imagine what you're like in real life.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:33 pm to
yea bc the rangers suck, i never once said anything about you and your university of bible thumping rapists, anyways, you can go frick yourself as far as im concerned from now on.

Westbrook sucks, just wait till the playoffs he's gonna shoot hit team right out the big games, houston probably wins 4-1 if not sweeps them
Posted by theducks
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:34 pm to
Precious snowflake
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:36 pm to
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dabigfella



Boom is at least funny, dude
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 8:37 pm
Posted by SwaggerCopter
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:36 pm to
There is absolutely no way I believe that. Nada. This team could look good in spurts, like the Lakers, but they would struggle.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:38 pm to
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you can go frick yourself as far as im concerned from now on.


Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32445 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:38 pm to
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Why focus on what players do when ON the court? When we can look at what they do when they OFF the court!!!

How much better harden is than Westbrook when on the court say more about them than any OFF numbers could.


One of your main pro-Harden arguments is that his team has a better record. Well, these stats show that his team would have almost as many wins if he didn't play at all. It discredits your "great player argument" because it shows that the Houston system contributes to wins almost as much as Harden does.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:38 pm to
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yea bc the rangers suck


Yet they whipped up on your astros.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Member since Sep 2008
36610 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:39 pm to
i don't trust Gordon, williams or bev to carry a team

Williams is too boom or bust

Bev isn't a creator

Gordon has a history of getting "injured" when unhappy
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84859 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

Why focus on what players do when ON the court? When we can look at what they do when they OFF the court!!!

How much better harden is than Westbrook when on the court say more about them than any OFF numbers could.




Your focus has been on Harden winning the MVP because Houston is 9 games clear of OKC. This helps reconcile that gap, so I can see why you'd completely ignore it.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32445 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:40 pm to
Bev played pretty well without Harden on Sunday. Any decent PG will look great in that system.
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:41 pm to
Makes sense, they were a 41 win team with him last year
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36610 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:42 pm to
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Bev played pretty well without Harden on Sunday. Any decent PG will look great in that system.


Massive difference in one game vs a whole season.

Particularly when that one game is against a suns team that doesn't give a frick anymore
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 8:44 pm
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59692 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:48 pm to
so the Spurs Win 57 w no Leonard? yea right. They are just season win total estimates based on net rating without taking anything else into consideration.

Harden is much better when on the court than Westbrook is when on the court. If both players played the whole game CC would STILL be way ahead of OKC in the standings.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37520 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:49 pm to
What percentage do you give Harden to win the MVP at this moment?
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