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re: Greg Maddux HOF selection question
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:10 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:10 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Why is Griffey being brought up when he is still a year away? 15 ballot has new comers Johnson, Martinez, Sheffield, Smoltz, Delgado, Nomar
16 ballot Griffey Jr, Jim Edmonds, Trevor Hoffman, Troy Glaus, Billy Wagner. So Griffey will be headline along with Bagwell, Piazza IMO
16 ballot Griffey Jr, Jim Edmonds, Trevor Hoffman, Troy Glaus, Billy Wagner. So Griffey will be headline along with Bagwell, Piazza IMO
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:10 pm to SPEEDY
and there's a segment of baseball writers and fans that would rather keep seeing those mistakes made bc they were made in the past...
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:43 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
How could you not vote for Maddux? 
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:50 pm to Thurber
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How could you not vote for Maddux?
You could say the same for players like Williams, Mays, Mantle etc. it's just the way it is. Cooperstown is still a special place.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:52 pm to tduecen
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Pedro Martinez as well... 3 man class before veterans committee
I think Smoltz gets in as well next year.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 12:53 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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I think Biggio and Randy Johnson get in next year
Craig biggio was a good player for a long time, but i dont think anybody thought of him as an all time great or one of the best players in baseball while he was playing. I think the main reason he has been so close to getting in is because there arent a lot of guys to chose from due to steroids.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 7/27/14 at 2:32 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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He was my favorite player as a kid. He didn't juice. He was the best player at his position for a decade. No off the field problems. Etc....
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infamous
I don't think that word means what you think it means
Are you trying to say unanimous?
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 3:57 pm to TigerCub
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Posted on 7/27/14 at 4:25 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
he's getting more respect than a lot of other highly qualified players who absolutely deserved to be in the hall of fame
willie mays, stan musial, and ted williams all received less than 96% of the vote.
willie mays, stan musial, and ted williams all received less than 96% of the vote.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 4:26 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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I think those who refuse to vote should have their credentials taken away.
This, but they will die soon anyway. Maddux is unquestionably a HOF.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 4:52 pm to graychef
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Completely disagree. Watered down with special interests and average players.
The museum is still an amazing place to visit. I could spend half a day in the main room with all the plaques alone.
Posted on 7/27/14 at 6:22 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
"Oh, Dusty. In-famous is when you're MORE than famous. This man El Guapo, he's not just famous, he's IN-famous."
Posted on 7/27/14 at 7:29 pm to graychef
quote:Bill James' book "whatever happened to the hall of fame" sheds a great deal of light on the process and evaluates the merits of some of the borderline guys that are in/out.
Completely disagree. Watered down with special interests and average players.
the first point he makes is that while we think the HOF should be exclusively the realm of the likes of Walter Johnson, Ruth, and Mays; it really isn't and largely due to the influence of the Veterans Committee, it never has been. The truly exceptional ballplayers are still exceptional even when viewed against the entirety of the HOF and really it's been that way for pretty much its entire existence. Heck, there was a while there where it seemed like if you were a good player that was a teammate of Frankie Frisch, you couldn't help but get in. Also, lots of guys that participated in the Glory of Their Times found their way in after their careers got a second look due to the popularity of it.
He also rolls through the various arguments guys make on behalf of favored players, the most poisonous being "well, if XYZ is in, then ABC should too" since it continually waters down the HOF pool by adding marginally great players. Another good one is the creation of custom stat combinations: player ABC is the only guy w/ xxx extra base hits and xxx RBI over 10 years and isn't in the HOF....stuff like that.
I used to get all up and arms in these arguments about who should be in/out, but it's kinda pointless in my mind when the BBWAA kinda runs it all by their own rules (including who is and isn't considered a "baseball writers") w/ no accountability and it's less about greatness and more about each voter's agenda. i'm just happy when guys i rooted for get in, and leave it at that now.
This post was edited on 7/27/14 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 10:50 am to oilfieldtiger
I also don't know what to think about players being on the ballot for multiple years. Glad they reduced it from 15 to 10 years.... but a player doesn't get better from one year to another. Either they're HOF material or they're not.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 1:07 pm to Chitter Chatter
quote:i have to feel they made that change to try and narrow the window that they (the BBWAA) has to deal w/ steroid tainted guys.
Glad they reduced it from 15 to 10 years
it just shows that even getting elected has it's quirks that are beyond the player's control and sometimes it just doesn't work out -- same as guys that play the wrong position for a long time, or an ill-timed injury, or were caught in the wrong team's minor league system.
hell, look at the shortage of guys from the WWII era. guys like Cecil Travis that seemed to be on their way, but whose careers were sidetracked by service. come to think of it, that would be a cool exhibit for the museum -- kind of a "greatness deferred" deal honoring ball players that saw combat.
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