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re: Greatest college football player in past decade
Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:See, and I think Bush wasn't THAT much better than LenDale White. Best backfield of the decade, for sure, but Bush didn't get a ton of touches because White did the heavy lifting. Bush might be the most explosive player, but that's different than the best.
only one remotely close to TT would be Bush
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Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:16 pm to Baloo
Miami had a pretty damn good backfield as well in '01.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:22 pm to Baloo
quote:
But as a neutral fan, how can you not say Tebow?
Just for fun...
Vince was the better runner by a good bit imo. He didnt get in the endzone as much and he wasnt Hester like in getting you a yard or two. But overall, he was bettr. I think thats safe to say since he had about 250 less carries and more total yardage. And if you give Vince another year at QB at Texas he basically projects at about the same total yardage throught the air, maybe more, as Tebow 4 year total. Again, the touchdowns arent there and he had more int's, but im not saying he's a better passer, just not that far behind. As far as single season. Vince rushed for 1,000 and passed for 3,000 in 2005, something Tebow or Cam never did.
A Tebow 07 season vs Vince 05 vs Cam 10 is a helluva debate in itself.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:26 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I would have liked to see Cam and Tebow get to play in the Big 12 with their respective teams.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:27 pm to iwyLSUiwy
For me, the knock on Young is that his value is all tied to that one season. Tebow had three excellent years while Young had one extraordinary one and one very good season.
But I like your case for him.
But I like your case for him.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:34 pm to Baloo
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For me, the knock on Young is that his value is all tied to that one season. Tebow had three excellent years while Young had one extraordinary one and one very good season.
Yeah pretty much.
Another way of looking at it...
Vince as a Frosh > Missionary as a Frosh
Vince as a Soph <<<<<< Jesus as a Soph
Vince as a Junior > 657-8832 as a Junior
Vince's poential Senior season ??? vs Jorts Senior season
Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:42 pm to gatordmb89
quote:
Miami had a pretty damn good backfield as well in '01.
True. But White was more effective (bigger role) and perfect compliment...Thunder to Lightening...compared to what McGahee carried in 01...
Leinart, Bush, White
Dorsey, Portis, Najeh Davenport (McGahee was just a freshman and didn't break out until 2002.)
Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:43 pm to gatordmb89
quote:
I would have liked to see Cam and Tebow get to play in the Big 12 with their respective teams.
it would not be any different really than what they did otherwise.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:47 pm to Zamoro10
quote:
True. But White was more effective (bigger role) and perfect compliment...Thunder to Lightening...compared to what McGahee carried in 01...
Leinart, Bush, White
Dorsey, Portis, Najeh Davenport (McGahee was just a freshman and didn't break out until 2002.)
Frank Gore was actually the primary backup to Clinton Portis on that 2001 Miami team. I don't remember McGahee getting that much playing time. The main reason why '04 USC's backfield is better than '01 Miami is because their QB was significantly better. Dorsey was the weak link of that legendary team. Great big game QB, clutch as hell but the guy was physically limited even at the college level and his completion percentage was under 60%.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 3:48 pm to Zamoro10
quote:
Miami had a pretty damn good backfield as well in '01.
True
I would argue its not really true, we just say that with 20/20 hindsight looking at the depth, but Portis was the man for 01 U. Gore and McGhee had 62 and 67 carries respecitively and who knows how many of those carries were in garbage time. In 05, bush had 200 carries and White 197, both started and played significant roles when it was important.
This post was edited on 7/13/11 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 7/13/11 at 4:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
If you're talking from a production standpoint, it's SC. If you're looking at it from a talent standpoint, give me '01 Miami all day.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 4:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:
only one remotely close to TT would be Bush
But what about Jason White???[ Who you defended earlier].
Posted on 7/13/11 at 4:06 pm to gatordmb89
I dont think anybody would argue the talent level. But as far as what the backs did for a single season; Lendale and Reggie take it.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 4:25 pm to dukke v
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But what about Jason White???[ Who you defended earlier
A) no, if I were to pick a OU player it would be Peterson or Bradford B) I was "defending" LenDale White, that's who I thought you meant, since the conv was about Bush, VY and USC-UT and I thought you meant L White failed on the 4th and 2. if you meant Jason, then I retract my comments
Though its still stupid to say a guy that was in back to back title games failed when it counts
This post was edited on 7/13/11 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 7/13/11 at 4:28 pm to gatordmb89
quote:
If you're talking from a production standpoint, it's SC. If you're looking at it from a talent standpoint, give me '01 Miami all day.
when someone says back field, to me that is different than the depth chart. With miami, they used one feature back, but had very talent back ups that went on to better NFL careers. Bush/White was a back field, because they both played significant amounts, where as with 2001 Miami, Portis was the man, the other guys were back ups that didn't play as much.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 4:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Though its still stupid to say a guy that was in back to back title games failed when it counts
How SO????
His passing stats in the Regular season were HUGE, BUT WHEN it counted he failed. BOTTOM LINE. Like I said prove me wrong.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 4:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
Backfield also means the QB as well...which is why 1994 PSU gets a shout. Their FB started for years in the NFL.)
I can't really think of a more productive/talented/dominating college backfield in 50 years than the USC 05' trio.
Maybe someone else knows?
I can't really think of a more productive/talented/dominating college backfield in 50 years than the USC 05' trio.
Maybe someone else knows?
Posted on 7/13/11 at 4:41 pm to Zamoro10
quote:
I can't really think of a more productive/talented/dominating college backfield in 50 years than the USC 05' trio.
Maybe someone else knows?
1971 Huskers with Tagge, Johnny Rogers sorry can't think of the fullback.
1979 USC Mcdonald, White and allen.
1974 OSU, Greene, Archie, Pete Johnson
1995 Nebraska/ Nough said
Posted on 7/13/11 at 4:44 pm to dukke v
quote:
How SO????
His passing stats in the Regular season were HUGE, BUT WHEN it counted he failed.
you don't get to back to back title games by never playing well when it counts genius.
quote:
Like I said prove me wrong.
prove what wrong? Jason White didn't have good games in the 04 Sugar and 05 Orange bowls, that doesn't mean he failed when it "counts". The tems he faced where better, the rest of his team did not play well either, you can not blame either loss, solely on him.
Posted on 7/13/11 at 4:44 pm to dukke v
quote:
1995 Nebraska/ Nough said
I'm talking about combined rushing/passing...
...and don't include O-lines.
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