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Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:01 am to c on z
What exactly did these gentlemen say? I am not going to make a judgment to anything that I did not see or hear.
Can someone post a link to what exactly was said not just a summary, please?
Can someone post a link to what exactly was said not just a summary, please?
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:03 am to AwesomeSauce
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your diehard NBA fans tend to lean heavy to #BlkLM vs. #BLUELM.
This is quite an over generalization based off of a few of your FB friends. It is not an either or thing between BLM and PLM/Vlue lives matter. A resonable person can yearn for equality in America (which the BLM movement has lost its way as its core campaign), and still recognize that you can not condone crazy people going out and mudering our police.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:05 am to sms151t
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:13 am to SOCAL TIGER
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You trot out LeBron, Wade, Chris Paul and Carmelo and name the citizens who have been killed in police shootings but not one Dallas cop is named. More division! More anamosity! Less healing and understanding. What a shame. A great moment to unite but ethnicity was picked over humanity.
How about frick YOU. They said exactly what needs to be said to the audience they needed to reach you dumb shite. While I'm at it, frick YOU to all the people who upvoted this POS post you racist mother frickers. They asked their fellow athletes to give back and help support the infrastructure of the impoverished in their communities. They asked for an end to the violence and hate on both sides. Of course they are going to name the black victims. The people that NEED to hear the message they preached are the communities they are asking for help in changing. They did not condemn the actions of cops. They did not even support the protests. They asked for help, from those who truly have the means to give what is needed, money, role models, and time.
My respect goes out to them for how well that was done.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 9:34 am
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:15 am to SOCAL TIGER
People watch the Espys?
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:15 am to castorinho
Thanks castor. I do not see what the outrage is from the OP other than he felt that ESPY was not place to have this speech. I did see and hear things negative toward a specific group as they criticized all sides and asked all sides to think.
They exercised a platform given to them and just as we do on here daily, gave an opinion. Some may like it, some may not. But they at least let you know where they stood. We criticized MJ for not taking a stand on items, so now lets criticize these men for taking a stand? I guess as the saying goes, you can't please everyone.
They exercised a platform given to them and just as we do on here daily, gave an opinion. Some may like it, some may not. But they at least let you know where they stood. We criticized MJ for not taking a stand on items, so now lets criticize these men for taking a stand? I guess as the saying goes, you can't please everyone.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:26 am to ShamelessPel
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Of course they are going to name the black victims.
so why not name the white victims in this?
seriously
that is my main criticism, should the people that NEED to hear the message not know the names of the white victims as well?
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:27 am to Salmon
Why also not unite on stage with a white player as well?
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:32 am to 504Voodoo
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This is quite an over generalization based off of a few of your FB friends.
Yea, as someone from a predominantly AA town who played college athletics, my FB friend list is composed of far more than a few people who embrace the mantra of BLM that has been pushed over social media for the last year and a half.
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It is not an either or thing between BLM and PLM/Vlue lives matter.
The squeaky wheel gets the oil. I don't think that the killing of 12 is the overwhelming sentiment, but to deny that Fthe12 and that vitrol isn't spit at and harbored by a large portion of the BLM movement towards police is asinine.
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A resonable person can yearn for equality in America (which the BLM movement has lost its way as its core campaign), and still recognize that you can not condone crazy people going out and mudering our police.
Not condoning it openly while still spitting the vitrol that leads unstable people to see the killings as justified is as bad as pulling the trigger. You cannot cultivate a system and mindset that harbors hate and victimizes criminals then play dumbfounded when someone takes your message to heart. Not at BLM as an organization, but at many of it's members.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:34 am to motorbreath
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justifiably killed
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:39 am to Salmon
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so why not name the white victims in this?
seriously
that is my main criticism, should the people that NEED to hear the message not know the names of the white victims as well?
Who gives a shite? Their whole message was about looking inwards, which is what needs to happen. How dense are you people? The amount of blind racism on this board and the OT is also an epidemic in this country. When speeches like last night get 80% upvoted by a shitty OP F U post, that's a problem. They barely asked you or I to do anything but not be racist...*GASP* Their speech was about athletes helping by giving back and donating time/money to help the infrastructure of their communities.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:43 am to ShamelessPel
shameless pel do you see why society in general is this way towards african americans? I live in west university which is literally the wealthiest per capita city in texas I think. Its got every freaking minority you can think of. My neighbors are all asians,indians,latinos, every race but african americans. Ive lived here my whole life 35 years and there is 1 black guy that I know a few streets away, and of course he has black santa clauses in his yard on christmas, but thats off tangent. What Im saying is at what point do we stop blaming every other culture for being racist that african americans arent succeeding at the same clips and start blaming the african american family for how they're raised?
I dont think these athletes preaching the thug life helps anything. Starting with the fab 5 michigan days where going against the rules and wearing baggy clothes, to getting all tatted up like some of these stars or any other "idol" you want young african americans to idolize. Athletes are indeed big role models for young african americans, it would be nice if they could teach them things like loyalty, honesty, education, not getting tatted up head to toe, and respecting the law. Instead we have guys like lebron who openly support mike brown,eric garner, or whoever else and push the agenda that cops are not your friend. Its ridiculous, obviously bad cops do exist, I dont doubt that but the majority are good people just trying to do a job. Talking back to them or looking the part of a criminal by dressing a certain way,speaking a certain way, or being tatted like a thug doesnt help at all when interacting with a cop. Funny how none of the african americans being shot, sans tamir rice, were quote unquote carlton banks types.
Does that not strike home for you? Cops run ins have all been with so called bad eggs. Mike Brown robbed a store,alton sterling had countless arrests, this guy in minnesota had umpteen violations previously. Its hard to understand their points of view bc I myself am a minority, I stand out like a sore thumb Im 6'7 and ive never had any trouble. Im not black, but im definitely not white. I dress well, dont have tattoos, and dont talk down to cops when I interact with them. Ive never had a problem. Education solves all, and urban youths have no hope if education comes from freaking lebron james and carmelo anthony that much I can guarantee you.
I dont think these athletes preaching the thug life helps anything. Starting with the fab 5 michigan days where going against the rules and wearing baggy clothes, to getting all tatted up like some of these stars or any other "idol" you want young african americans to idolize. Athletes are indeed big role models for young african americans, it would be nice if they could teach them things like loyalty, honesty, education, not getting tatted up head to toe, and respecting the law. Instead we have guys like lebron who openly support mike brown,eric garner, or whoever else and push the agenda that cops are not your friend. Its ridiculous, obviously bad cops do exist, I dont doubt that but the majority are good people just trying to do a job. Talking back to them or looking the part of a criminal by dressing a certain way,speaking a certain way, or being tatted like a thug doesnt help at all when interacting with a cop. Funny how none of the african americans being shot, sans tamir rice, were quote unquote carlton banks types.
Does that not strike home for you? Cops run ins have all been with so called bad eggs. Mike Brown robbed a store,alton sterling had countless arrests, this guy in minnesota had umpteen violations previously. Its hard to understand their points of view bc I myself am a minority, I stand out like a sore thumb Im 6'7 and ive never had any trouble. Im not black, but im definitely not white. I dress well, dont have tattoos, and dont talk down to cops when I interact with them. Ive never had a problem. Education solves all, and urban youths have no hope if education comes from freaking lebron james and carmelo anthony that much I can guarantee you.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:43 am to ShamelessPel
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Who gives a shite?
While their message was a good one, they too should listen to it and educate themselves on the facts of these cases. They do themselves no favors lumping in Sterling, Brown, and others with people like Castille. They're clouding their message when they ask for all races to unite moments after speaking to one race in particular.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:43 am to ShamelessPel
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Who gives a shite?
a lot of people, obviously, probably the families of the police officers as well
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How dense are you people? The amount of blind racism on this board and the OT is also an epidemic in this country. When speeches like last night get 80% upvoted by a shitty OP F U post, that's a problem.
I see you are not one to think rationally
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Their speech was about athletes helping by giving back and donating time/money to help the infrastructure of their communities.
and that was great
my problem was with the specific names they called out and which names they left out
they chose a high profile medium to make their speech, it's ok for people to criticize it
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:44 am to ShamelessPel
So in a speech about unity why only bring up one race then? If really wanted unity instead of playing a pander card seems like you could atleast mention one of any other situation instead of multiples of one race getting attacked by the big bullys.
If you are a minority you have never been safer in this country then you are these days..and that includes sexual preference minoritys as well. But if you were to bullieve the narrative whites are out looking to kill more than ever.
If you are a minority you have never been safer in this country then you are these days..and that includes sexual preference minoritys as well. But if you were to bullieve the narrative whites are out looking to kill more than ever.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:53 am to dabigfella
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Mike Brown robbed a store,alton sterling had countless arrests, this guy in minnesota had umpteen violations previously
You are being a little disingenuous by lumping a guy with a number of parking violations with Brown and Sterling - who both had violent crime records.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:54 am to dabigfella
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shameless pel do you see why society in general is this way towards african americans? I live in west university which is literally the wealthiest per capita city in texas I think. Its got every freaking minority you can think of. My neighbors are all asians,indians,latinos, every race but african americans. Ive lived here my whole life 35 years and there is 1 black guy that I know a few streets away, and of course he has black santa clauses in his yard on christmas, but thats off tangent. What Im saying is at what point do we stop blaming every other culture for being racist that african americans arent succeeding at the same clips and start blaming the african american family for how they're raised?
Did I once say that I don't have my own stereotypes? Of course I do. But there is a difference between stereotypes and blind arse racism. Did they once blame anybody for the plight they're in? No.
Again, you are thinking of this from the viewpoint of a racist white man and not from the viewpoint of the other side. The people they need to help are uneducated, impoverished, and lack the will in many instances to better their lives. Listen to Tyrann Mathieu talk about Baton Rouge a few months ago. He talks about the fundamental problems AA face today. How they end up on the wrong side of things, etc. He himself said he is scared of Baton Rouge.
They are indeed backing the wrong horses logically. But from the audience they NEED to reach, the ones that are going to have to meet them more than halfway if these athletes do indeed decide to make good on their promise and give back? Those are the names they need to hear because they are indeed uneducated and following equally shitty BLM leaders. I fricking despise the BLM movement. It is headless and aimless. It is completely counter productive. They are accidentally promoting racism with how moronic they are acting for a good chunk of the reasons some have mentioned. If you back every black guy shot by a cop, when you back the real victims like the one in MN, it waters down the impact. When you shoot cops in Dallas, riot and loot in STL, and block highways and bang on cars like shitheads, you are again promoting racism. It's a powder keg of uneducation lacking leadership.
We need LBJ and athletes like him to use their platform. They are truly the only way I can see this thing turning around. Rich black people whose voices matter giving back time and money to help fix the fundamental problems in these neighborhoods. Go listen to TM7 talk about BR in his interview, and you'd understand a fraction of what I'm talking about.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:55 am to ShamelessPel
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Again, you are thinking of this from the viewpoint of a racist white man
seriously
go frick yourself
people are trying to talk to you rationally and reasonably and you just write them off as "racist white man"
you're the problem
Posted on 7/14/16 at 9:58 am to SOCAL TIGER
I didn't watch but it seemed like LeBron turned the attention to black culture, which is desperately needed. Of course, I only read like two excerpts.
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