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re: Eli vs. Brady Career Comparisons (through this point in Eli's Career)

Posted on 2/6/12 at 3:42 pm to
Posted by Nonetheless
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 3:42 pm to
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That brings me to an interesting observation. Eli beat Brady in the Super Bowl during Brady's career year and Eli beat Brady in the Super Bowl during his own career year.


Appears to me that you think Eli is better than Brady, because he has beaten Brady twice in the Superbowl. I think surrounding players, defenses, etc. also play a role.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 3:42 pm to
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dude your stats were misleading at best. make it clearer, and we who you are "dealing with" can understand it better

They were clear to me. Pretty easy to figure out why he stated "full seasons" vs the other stat.

Don't blame other people for your own retardation.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 3:44 pm to
Eli is elite although a lot of haters don't want to give him credit because he doesn't do it like Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, or Brees.
Posted by BigBoyTiger
Cleveland
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 3:46 pm to
Yeah..it's really interesting that you left out interceptions, completion percentage and QB ratings, all three of which Brady is not only superior than Manning, but it isn't even close.

ETA:

INTs: Manning 129 (!!) in 7.5 seasons, Brady 115 in 10 full seasons.

Completion percentage: Manning 58.4%, Brady 63.8%

QB Rating: Manning 82.1, Brady 96.4
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 3:49 pm
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:07 pm to
It's clear:

Eli > *
Posted by barry
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:15 pm to
The most INT Brady has ever thrown in a season is 14. Eli's second best year for INT is 14.
Posted by Volmanac
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:28 pm to
I don't think the OP realizes that he's making a better example of how average Brady was before '07 than how good Eli is.

Everybody gives Brady credit for "winning" three Super Bowls, but they forget that Brady was never considered in Manning's league during the period he actually won those Super Bowls.

Peyton was head and shoulders above him, even in public perception, until '07.


This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 4:29 pm
Posted by BigBoyTiger
Cleveland
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:32 pm to
Interesting point, Vol.

I still maintain quarterbacks get too much credit for winning Super Bowls. Manning was good last night. But just like in 2008, you could have easily given the MVP to the entire defense. They were stellar again.
Posted by Volmanac
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:36 pm to
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Eli haters gonna hate. He will go down as one of the best by the end of his career.




He's never been considered one of the top four or five quarterbacks in the league in any given time but he will be one of the best ever. okay.

Maybe when he gets that elusive third Pro Bowl reserve selection.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:41 pm to
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I don't think the OP realizes that he's making a better example of how average Brady was before '07 than how good Eli is.

Brady was actually above average pre-2007. He had a few bad games early on in his career, but he was average in 2001. Anywhere from above average to very good (Eli territory) from 2002-2006, sensational in 2007, and elite from 2009 to the present day.
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
11536 posts
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:41 pm to
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Brady was considered elite earlier than Eli because then it was basically Peyton


Brady was considered elite because of the super bowls. He was basically Eli, Big Ben like early in his career. A pretty good QB, but not really elite in terms of stats. Then 2007 came and he went nuts.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:45 pm to
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I don't think the OP realizes that he's making a better example of how average Brady was before '07 than how good Eli is.


Actually, that's exactly the point I was making.
Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
59483 posts
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:52 pm to
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you could have easily given the MVP to the entire defense. They were stellar again

Like when the gave up the 96yard drive before the half? The Giants offense did just a good of job keeping Brady off the field with drives as much as the Defense. Defense didn't pressure Brady all night until the last couple of series.
Posted by BigBoyTiger
Cleveland
Member since Aug 2005
9578 posts
Posted on 2/6/12 at 4:55 pm to
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Like when the gave up the 96yard drive before the half?


No...like when they were in Brady's face from the last half of the third quarter on and he had no time to throw or had happy feet?
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18984 posts
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:02 pm to
Here are the real stats

Eli's played 7 full seasons (not counting rookie season as full year

Eli has
183 tds
120 ints(more than Brady has his entire career)
83 QB rating

Brady in his first 7 full season(not counting his rookie season either)

Brady has
203 tds
86 ints
93 QB rating
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18984 posts
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:03 pm to
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He was basically Eli, Big Ben


Stop bunching them together. Big Ben is actually a great player Eli is not
Posted by Flair Chops
to the west, my soul is bound
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

Big Ben is actually a great player
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18984 posts
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:08 pm to
Big Ben in his career
average more yards per game
more touchdowns per game
less interceptions
and his QB rating is 10 points higher than Eli's
Posted by Flair Chops
to the west, my soul is bound
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:13 pm to
more rapes




sorry, i'm probably projecting my personal feelings onto him. i hate ben and brady. but brady is without a doubt one of the top 5 qbs i've seen play. even if ben was, i don't think i could admit it. thankfully, he's not.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 2/6/12 at 5:14 pm to
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I still maintain quarterbacks get too much credit for winning Super Bowls.


Absolutely they do.
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