re: Eli Manning Is The Worst QB to ever Win a SB

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Super Bowls are team accomplishments. Manning is an OK QB who had 2 nice runs. If he gets in the Hall and he probably will, to me it indicates a lowering of standards and the ultra lazy "RINGS" argument in which you are engaging.

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My argument, which should have been indirectly insinuated, is the fact that quarterbacks winning multiple Super Bowls will, in all likelihood, be in the Hall of Fame. This includes Manning, who, statistically, is better than at least three players on that list.

He is not the worst QB to ever win a Super Bowl. He is not the best QB to ever win a Super Bowl. He is a good quarterback, who is, statistically, on par with a number of Hall of Fame quarterbacks with a couple big Super Bowl wins to his name, which is one of the largest calling cards when judging a quarterback.

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My argument, which should have been indirectly insinuated, is the fact that quarterbacks winning multiple Super Bowls will, in all likelihood, be in the Hall of Fame. This includes Manning, who, statistically, is better than at least three players on that list.

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you cannot compare current stats to guys that played in the 60's and 70's the rules and offenses were much different. When you compare Eli's stats to his contemporaries he is very mediocre so all you have to go on is "RINGS".

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so a road playoff win for a QB should be a significant accomplishment...

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not always does it mean they don't have as good a team, but the point is, you are effectively penalizing guys like Montana, Brady etc who don't have as many road wins because they win more games during the season and have a) fewer playoff games per year because they have a bye and b) get home games.

Montana and Brady both have proven they can win on the road though. Montana won the 1988 NFC championship in frigid Chicago, and Brady won the 2004 AFC championship in frigid Pittsburgh.

To me, that's what makes a QB great. Can you get it done when the cards are stacked against you? (Road playoff games, awful weather, etc...)

IMO, Peyton would be looked at a whole lot differently if he had been able to pull off either the 2003 AFCCG or 2004 divisional round game in snowy New England. He played awful in both games.

I was replying to a comment that Eli had the most road playoff wins (since mentioned that Flacco actually passed him). Its nice for those guys but misleading because even in the examples you provided Brady and Montana had to win 1 playoff road game to get to the SB because they were the #2 seeds

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Yes, but I'm not sure why Young started all of 19 games for Tampa, that's not even 1 1/3 seasons. At least compare him to Vinny who was bad in Tampa, especially his first 3-4 years

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Exactly . He almost had is career derailed with a franchise that Williams left.

What was Steve Young's excuse considering he was a decade after expansion while Doug stepped in only 2 years in?


Bo Jackson refused to go to the Bucs for personal & professional reasons ( probably a good decision). It was a putrid franchise ,but despite that Doug nearly went to Super Bowl with them............


I admitted Tampa had some good defenses ,but I mention Hebert & his pop gun arm not doing anything with great defenses in New Orleans as a comparison.

Good for Hebert completing a higher percentage when his pop gun ("cajun canon") arm barely completed a pass beyond 5 yards downfield to Eric Martin.




Doug Williams isn't 1-3 he is 4-3 in the playoffs with a SuperBowl ring & nearly 95 passer rating in the regular season & playoffs when he got on a respectable squad with the Redskins.

I've said nothing controversial here.