re: Does UNC deserve a playoff spot if they beat Clemson?

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Not exactly because we scheduled two P5 OOC games this year. We will have played 11 games against P5 teams this year. There aren't many teams in the country that can say that. Also, while I wish we had played a Hawaii instead of FCS NC A&T, the latter would be favored against quite a few FBS teams including Hawaii (who Ohio State played).

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You keep saying this, but you're contradicting yourself. You need to stop saying "P5 OOC" as if it's some great accomplishment. Call it what it was. South Carolina and Illinois. The worst team in the SEC and one of the worst teams in the Big Ten. UNC went 1-1 against that.

If you want to compare one of your FCS wins against Hawaii, I think it would be fair to compare NIU and Western Michigan to Illinois and South Carolina. Would you bet on either of those "P5 OOC" teams? I know I sure wouldn't.

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No they wouldn't. OSU had 3 wins over top 25 teams to UNC's 1, and OSU had a road win over a top 10 team and beat the 13th ranked team by 60

How are those comparable?

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At this point last year, Ohio State's SOS was 54th in the country. UNC's is 62nd in the country.

Ohio State went on to play #13 Wisconsin in the conference championship. UNC is about to play #1 Clemson.

Looks pretty comparable to me.

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OU lost to Texas...so a bad loss can't be that bad for you if OU is making it...

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Oklahoma beat Baylor, Oklahoma State, and TCU. Along with going on the road and playing a very decent Tennessee team OOC.

UNC will have hypothetically only beaten Clemson. And then there's the terrible OOC schedule.

It's really not comparable.

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At this point last year, Ohio State's SOS was 54th in the country. UNC's is 62nd in the country. Ohio State went on to play #13 Wisconsin in the conference championship. UNC is about to play #1 Clemson. Looks pretty comparable to me.

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This is the same point I made in a thread with Bama fans about their SOS. A SOS which consists of #5, #8, #11 and then 9 below average teams would be worse than a SOS with 12 teams in the 30s and 40s. The first schedule is more difficult to get through with 0 or 1 losses

Just be happy your bowling. The playing isn't for teams like UNC.

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This is the same point I made in a thread with Bama fans about their SOS. A SOS which consists of #5, #8, #11 and then 9 below average teams would be worse than a SOS with 12 teams in the 30s and 40s. The first schedule is more difficult to get through with 0 or 1 losses

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I agree with that line of thinking up until around #15 or so in the country. After the top 15-20, the differences in difficulty become more negligible through the 40s.

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you should quit calling NC A&T an FCS opponent because they're better than many FBS opponents.

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Source this.

NC A&T is a borderline top 25 FCS team.

They are no North Dakota State

Just for fun, here are the Sagaran Rankings for UNC's opponts:

USC: 71
NC A&T: 154
Illinois: 72
Delaware: 193
G Tech: 53
Wake: 93
UVA: 76
Pitt: 34
Duke: 57
Miami: 46
V Tech: 42
NC State: 47
Clemson: 4

So, Pitt is regarded as their best win, next to Clemson. They have the worst loss by a mile of any contenders--Texas is a bad loss but not as bad as USC.

I would have to see how it plays out. This is the scenario I envisioned when the committee declined to define a specific criteria. If a team like UNC gets in for essentially 1 big win and a horrible loss, it sets the opposite precedent of what was supposed to happen. If I'm a P-5 school, why schedule hard OOC games?

OOC scheduling could knock out Stanford. I bet they wish they played San Jose State or Cal Davis instead of Northwestern. If you're Stanford or any other P5 team, why schedule a game like that if it can only hurt you?

I'm not attempting to portray NC A&T as an impressive win for UNC. Only illustrating there's no difference in beating them vs. beating Hawaii, UCF, North Texas, etc.

If we had instead played an FBS bottom-feeder, the result would have been the same and this 'two FCS' talking point wouldn't have blown out of proportion. Great P5 OOC opponents or not, very few teams in the country will have played 11 teams from P5 conferences. Should we beat Clemson, a 12 game win streak should be enough.