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re: Does UNC deserve a playoff spot if they beat Clemson?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:39 pm to TriumphTiger
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:39 pm to TriumphTiger
Ohio St lost to Virginia Tech by 14 points at home last year, and still made the playoff. And they didnt have a win that would be as big as UNC over Clemson. I probably wouldn't pick UNC either, but any argument about an ugly loss early in the season is pointless.
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Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:41 pm to bayoucracka
Virginia Tech was over .500 last year.
And the win last year @ Michigan St was better. Michigan St beat Baylor and finished #5 in AP
And the win last year @ Michigan St was better. Michigan St beat Baylor and finished #5 in AP
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:49 pm to bayoucracka
If UNC beats Clemson 59-0 they might have a shot.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:24 am to The Boat
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They have two top 15 losses. They went across the country and played a 10-2 #15 team. That's what the playoffs were trying to create. The Pac 12 is a good conference. The ACC is very bad.
The ACC might be better than the Pac 12. Clemson, FSU, and UNC are all legit. BC came close to beating Notre Dame. It took a miracle for Stanford to beat Notre Dame at home. If UNC beats #1 Clemson, they should be in. NC St. was 7-3 on the year and UNC put up 35 points in the first quarter against them.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 12:26 am
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:32 am to RedMustang
NC State is 7-5, and they beat exactly 0 teams with winning records. Their best win was against 4-8 Syracuse. Don't act like they're even a solid team.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 12:35 am to bbeck
Here's how it works:
When it was only 2 teams there was a possibility of a team or maybe 2 getting shafted.
Now we have 4 teams in and we are debating over 8-10 teams that have a realistic argument. 3 or 4 of those teams will have to fall short even with solid arguments.
An 8 team playoff will have more grey area, subjectivity, and more teams left off right on the edge.
However, I don't mind that. If we are going to go with a playoff, we should do it right. 8 team is appropriate.
When it was only 2 teams there was a possibility of a team or maybe 2 getting shafted.
Now we have 4 teams in and we are debating over 8-10 teams that have a realistic argument. 3 or 4 of those teams will have to fall short even with solid arguments.
An 8 team playoff will have more grey area, subjectivity, and more teams left off right on the edge.
However, I don't mind that. If we are going to go with a playoff, we should do it right. 8 team is appropriate.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 1:14 am to easy money
Marquise Hood >>> JT Elliott
:dealwithit:
:dealwithit:
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:07 am to HoLeInOnEr05
I really have no idea.
If you go on resume alone (which probably should be the criteria), then OSU is probably out. However, their MOV is one of the best in the country and they just beat a top 10 team (when played) by 30 on the road.
Depending on how conference championships are weighed (are all CC looked at the same, or is winning the ACC less impressive than the SEC etc) UNC will have 1 great win at the end of the year and a bad loss. Heather dinich was saying Long has the 2 FCS games marked in a different color highlighter to make sure no one forgets it
Do they weigh in talent on the team? Then OSU wins easily
If I am sitting in the room, I'm taking 4 conference champs with 0 or 1 loss, even if that screws a team in OSU who I think when playing well like last weekend, is still the top dog
If you go on resume alone (which probably should be the criteria), then OSU is probably out. However, their MOV is one of the best in the country and they just beat a top 10 team (when played) by 30 on the road.
Depending on how conference championships are weighed (are all CC looked at the same, or is winning the ACC less impressive than the SEC etc) UNC will have 1 great win at the end of the year and a bad loss. Heather dinich was saying Long has the 2 FCS games marked in a different color highlighter to make sure no one forgets it
Do they weigh in talent on the team? Then OSU wins easily
If I am sitting in the room, I'm taking 4 conference champs with 0 or 1 loss, even if that screws a team in OSU who I think when playing well like last weekend, is still the top dog
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:36 am to HoLeInOnEr05
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Marquise Hood >>> JT Elliott
I'd love for them to play and find out, but it's not going to happen.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:37 am to Buckeye06
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If I am sitting in the room, I'm taking 4 conference champs with 0 or 1 loss, even if that screws a team in OSU who I think when playing well like last weekend, is still the top dog
There's no way I'd take a team with that schedule and that loss unless they went undefeated, even if it was Ohio State.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:46 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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There's no way I'd take a team with that schedule and that loss unless they went undefeated, even if it was Ohio State
Then 2014 Ohio State shouldn't have made the playoff.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:50 am to Buckeye06
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Do they weigh in talent on the team? Then OSU wins easily
I'm not so sure.
I'd put our offensive talent up there as good or better than Ohio State.
Your defense probably has more talent in the front seven, but our secondary is better.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:56 am to EastCarolinaHeel
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Then 2014 Ohio State shouldn't have made the playoff.
I'd love to hear why.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 8:57 am to EastCarolinaHeel
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talent
No. There are only a handful of teams that match Ohio State in talent, and UNC isn't one of them. You guys have had a good season, but don't get carried away.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:00 am to EastCarolinaHeel
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I'd put our offensive talent up there as good or better than Ohio State.
UNC has good skill position guys, but overall OSU has way more talent top to bottom
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:02 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'd love to hear why
You said a team with UNC's schedule and loss shouldn't make the playoff. Ohio State's schedule in 2014 was very similar to UNC's this year in terms of competition.
Someone argued that Virginia Tech last year was a .500 team, but that was in the 'lowly' ACC. Surely if they had played an SEC schedule last year, their record would have been similar to South Carolina's this year, right? You can't argue that VT was better last year based on record while also arguing how weak the ACC is.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:03 am to EastCarolinaHeel
I'd love to see you guys post a position group breakdown of how you think the talent compares between the two teams.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:06 am to EastCarolinaHeel
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I'd love to see you guys post a position group breakdown of how you think the talent compares between the two teams.
I don't need to do a position group breakdown. OSU is better at basically every single one. You said your secondary is better but it isn't. OSU ranks better in passing yards allowed per game.
The only positions where UNC may have a shot is WR and TE. Zeke is better than Hood by a bit (Hood is really good), and OL OSU has a huge edge. QB may be a push
defense OSU has the advantage in all phases
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:15 am to Buckeye06
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I don't need to do a position group breakdown. OSU is better at basically every single one. You said your secondary is better but it isn't. OSU ranks better in passing yards allowed per game.
The only positions where UNC may have a shot is WR and TE. Zeke is better than Hood by a bit (Hood is really good), and OL OSU has a huge edge. QB may be a push
defense OSU has the advantage in all phases
This is why I'd love to see the match up.
If QB is a push, then so is RB. Quise is better than JT by a similar margin that Zeke is better than Hood.
TE is likely also a push.
Our WR are better.
Your OL is probably slightly better, but ours is experienced and anchored by a 1st-2nd round draft pick at OG.
Your DL is better.
Your LB are likely more athletic but not as experienced.
Your S are better.
Our CB are better.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 9:28 am to EastCarolinaHeel
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You said a team with UNC's schedule and loss shouldn't make the playoff. Ohio State's schedule in 2014 was very similar to UNC's this year in terms of competition.
It's really not. UNC needs to beat Clemson by a lot to get in, and I don't think that happens.
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Someone argued that Virginia Tech last year was a .500 team, but that was in the 'lowly' ACC. Surely if they had played an SEC schedule last year, their record would have been similar to South Carolina's this year, right? You can't argue that VT was better last year based on record while also arguing how weak the ACC is.
You're talking about putting 2014 VT up against a 2015 SEC East schedule. It's not a valid point, but if you want to make it, I'll say VT could easily go 6-6 against that schedule. They surely wouldn't lose to The Citadel.
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