re: Do you consider Tim Duncan a top 10 all time player?

Posted by lsuguy84

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:39 pm to Dayton Duane

Agree to disagree. People forget how dominant Shaq and Barkley were. Ewing yeah, I could put him above Ewing...not Shaq and Barkley

Posted by Wild Thang

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:40 pm to BobCoot

Yes

Posted by Aggie Fishfinder

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:41 pm to lsuguy84

I'm ok with putting Shaq in front of Duncan. But Barkley? No way.

Posted by Dayton Duane

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:45 pm to dukke v

Yes, emphatically so. Shaq was at times more brilliant, but Duncan was rock solid for like 16 years. Gimme the consistency.

Just my 2 cents. I'm sure plenty will disagree.

Born in '81, here's how I saw/see thangz:

1 Jordan
2 Lebron
3 Magic
4 Olajuwon
5 Bird
6 Duncan
7 Shaq
8 Kobe
9 Barkley
10 Durant

Durant will likely continue to climb the list.

I can't weigh in on: Oscar Roberson, Wilt, Kareem, Russell. Before my time.

This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:52 pm

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Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:51 pm to Dayton Duane

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Shaq was at times more brilliant, but Duncan was rock solid for like 16 years. Gimme the consistency.

Dude, Shaq had a per game average of over 20pts/10reb for 14 straight seasons

This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 2:53 pm

Posted by StlPoke

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:52 pm to BobCoot

I have him at 8. Just ahead of Hakeem and Shaq

Definitely the greatest PF of all time

Posted by Dayton Duane

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:53 pm to lsupride87

Dammit u and your facts. Is that true? Funny I don't remember it that way.

I've always been a Duncan guy. So I'm prolly not the most objective.

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Posted by lsupride87

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:54 pm to Dayton Duane

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Is that true? Funny I don't remember it that way.

Likely, you are too young to remember his Orlando days. I pretty much dont remember them either that well

Posted by Black n Gold

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:56 pm to T

The Dream > Duncan > Kobe

Posted by ShoeBang

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:06 pm to BobCoot

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Shaq
LeBron
Wilt
Kareem
Russell
Hakeem
Duncan
Oscar
Kobe
Pippen
Stockton
Barkley

Off the top of my head this is my list from best on down with a limit of 15.

Duncan is my #10

Posted by LittleRockHog501

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:07 pm to shel311

That's due to shooting very poorly in the playoffs and getting beat in key matchups against other top post players

This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 3:11 pm

Posted by elposter

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:08 pm to lsuguy84

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He's not top ten in PER, which is a good metric to judge these guys by.

It's a good metric but not the end all. He's pretty close to top 10 PER (he's 13) and probably better than a few above him. Top All-Time PER:

1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Shaq
4. David Robinson
5. Wilt
6. Chris Paul
7. Bob Petit
8. Durant
9. Neil Johnston
10. Charles Barkley
11. Kareem
12. Dwyane Wade
13. Tim Duncan
14. Magic Johnson
15. Karl Malone
16. Hakeem
17. Larry Bird
18. Russell Westbrook
19. Stephen Curry
20. Oscar Robertson

...

102. Bill Russell

Do David Robinson, Chris Paul, Bob Petit, Kevin Durant, Neil Johnston, Charles Barkley, and Dwyane Wade rank above Tim Duncan as all time players? Just using PER would suggest yes. Pretty good argument that he is better than a handful of guys above him on the PER list.

Of course there is also an argument that there are a few guys below him on the PER list that are better than him (Magic? Bird? Hakeem? Robertson?).

This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 3:12 pm

Posted by dukke v

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:08 pm to Black n Gold

Posted by Korin

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:10 pm to lsuguy84

quote:
He's not top ten in PER, which is a good metric to judge these guys by. I don't think he's top ten all time out of every player who has played the game.

Kobe isn't top 10 in PER either.

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Posted by lsuguy84

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:12 pm to Korin

Touché

Posted by Korin

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Posted on 2/24/17 at 3:12 pm to Dayton Duane

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Dammit u and your facts. Is that true? Funny I don't remember it that way.

I've always been a Duncan guy. So I'm prolly not the most objective

Take their 5 best seasons and average them out. Shaq's is absolutely ridiculous.