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Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:48 am to dhav14
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. If we can get Hamels for a decent price (not too many top prospects and Phils eat salary)
This is my thinking as well. Give up some depth for a front line starter with not much to pay going forward. Pick up a Zimmerman type in the off season. I'd even be willing to send Appel in the deal.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 10:50 am to Floating Change Up
I'd like to sidebar our current conversation by saying:
Isn't this freaking fun??? To be talking trade as a contender!
Isn't this freaking fun??? To be talking trade as a contender!
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:03 am to Floating Change Up
With the mess the AL East is right now, those big money teams are going to drive Hamels price sky high. Look in another direction.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:06 am to TXGunslinger10
What would be too costly in your opinion? Here's a few hypotheticals
Appel Phillips Fontana and a throw in
Hader Fisher Villar and a throw in
Appel Santana Kemp and a throw in
VV Fisher Kemp
Honestly I have no clue what kind of haul it would take to get Hamels, but I might be willing to give up 3 top 15 guys for him IF they are the right guys. Kemp is kind of shafted due to Tuve and Correa, I could live with giving one of our top pitching prospects and maybe an OF guy along with Kemp. I not sure how much the Phillies would want in order to eat 40, 50, 75% of Hamels salary. Also keep in mind we are about to add a #2, 5 and I believe 37 pick to our system. We have depth to work with
ETA: I might be underestimating how much the Phils want, but I honestly have no idea. 3 top 10 guys, 4 top 15? This is why I don't make Luhnow money
Appel Phillips Fontana and a throw in
Hader Fisher Villar and a throw in
Appel Santana Kemp and a throw in
VV Fisher Kemp
Honestly I have no clue what kind of haul it would take to get Hamels, but I might be willing to give up 3 top 15 guys for him IF they are the right guys. Kemp is kind of shafted due to Tuve and Correa, I could live with giving one of our top pitching prospects and maybe an OF guy along with Kemp. I not sure how much the Phillies would want in order to eat 40, 50, 75% of Hamels salary. Also keep in mind we are about to add a #2, 5 and I believe 37 pick to our system. We have depth to work with
ETA: I might be underestimating how much the Phils want, but I honestly have no idea. 3 top 10 guys, 4 top 15? This is why I don't make Luhnow money
This post was edited on 6/2/15 at 11:09 am
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:32 am to dhav14
Of course, it's hard to figure out what Luhnow and co. are thinking.
But I think most of us agree on a few things:
- Would rather trade Santana over Phillips or Fisher
- Would rather trade Appel over VV or Feliz
- Kemp is the most logical good prospect to deal because we have Altuve. Fontana is not as good as Kemp but fits in the same category.
- Hader? Boy, is he a hard one to figure out. He could be Chris Sale 2.0 or just another LOOGY.
But I think most of us agree on a few things:
- Would rather trade Santana over Phillips or Fisher
- Would rather trade Appel over VV or Feliz
- Kemp is the most logical good prospect to deal because we have Altuve. Fontana is not as good as Kemp but fits in the same category.
- Hader? Boy, is he a hard one to figure out. He could be Chris Sale 2.0 or just another LOOGY.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:33 am to High C
quote:
With the mess the AL East is right now, those big money teams are going to drive Hamels price sky high. Look in another direction.
Very few teams have the depth that the Astros have to deal.
Keep in mind, teams can no longer use the PTBNL tag and trade a draft pick before they are eligible. So that keeps the thin organizations from using a first round pick from this year's draft to get Hamels.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:39 am to dhav14
I like option A.
But that won't be enough for Hamels.
While Santana may seem expendable to some, he's 22 years old with 13 ML at bats.
We'd be sending him off a. Before he is ready and b. Before seeing what we really have in him.
My guys I'd give away are as follows:
Villar
Presley
Hoes
Grossman
Phillips
Hader
Fontana
Kemp
Appel
Duffy
Aplin
Stassi
If we can't work something out with guys on that list, then I'm not in favor of it
But that won't be enough for Hamels.
While Santana may seem expendable to some, he's 22 years old with 13 ML at bats.
We'd be sending him off a. Before he is ready and b. Before seeing what we really have in him.
My guys I'd give away are as follows:
Villar
Presley
Hoes
Grossman
Phillips
Hader
Fontana
Kemp
Appel
Duffy
Aplin
Stassi
If we can't work something out with guys on that list, then I'm not in favor of it
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:41 am to Floating Change Up
Also, isn't the Phillies GM in deep shite already? I don't think he's going to be able to sit back and demand a king's ransom for Hamels for too long, because if he doesn't trade him he probably won't have a job by the end of the year
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:42 am to TXGunslinger10
Santana...I like his talent but not his biggest weakness. He is going to strike out a ton. Do we really need another everyday guy doing that? We have Tucker and Springer as keeper young OFs moving forward, so we can afford to let Santana go while the younger talent moves up in the system. For the right trade, of course.
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:45 am to Jwho77
Well with Tucker, Rasmus, Marisnick, Hoes/Grossman/Presley and Springer, we don't have to be in a rush to bring him up.
He can stay in AAA for another 2 years and work on that stuff. Then we can bring him up when he's 24 years old
He can stay in AAA for another 2 years and work on that stuff. Then we can bring him up when he's 24 years old
This post was edited on 6/2/15 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:46 am to TXGunslinger10
That list leaves a lot of untouchables. Gotta spend a fair price to get a good return. Other than the obvious exception of Correa, there's nobody on our prospect list that I would leave off the table. But I wouldn't want to trade Lance or Preston, since they've already made it up to the big club
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:48 am to Jwho77
I hope oberhotlzer can stay healthy. Encouraging performance. We need him to eat up some starts and give us chances to win games
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:48 am to dhav14
Phillips (8), Hader (10) and Appel (2) are top 10 prospects in the organization
This post was edited on 6/2/15 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:48 am to TXGunslinger10
No matter how long he stays in AAA, he is still going to strike out a ton. It is who he is.
This post was edited on 6/2/15 at 11:49 am
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:51 am to TXGunslinger10
Yes, but that means 70% of our top ten would be untouchable. You've gotta have more cards to play with than 3 out of 10
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:52 am to Jwho77
I don't think you can say that about a 22 year old kid. If anything, as he gets older he will learn more plate discipline which should lead to more walks and less K's
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:52 am to dhav14
If you package all 3 together, that's a hell of a deal
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:54 am to TXGunslinger10
Oh I agree, but if those 3 aren't the 3 the Phillies want I think you would have to consider some of the other guys too. It will be really interesting to see what happens in the draft next week, because we will be getting 2 guys that will probably crack our top 10 list and another who might crack the top 15
Posted on 6/2/15 at 11:57 am to dhav14
Then Hamels isn't our guy if the Phils wouldn't take Hader, Phillips & Appel with something like a Dominguez throw in.
I still like Kazmir. I think he should be our focus
I still like Kazmir. I think he should be our focus
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