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re: College Football Playoff using top 4 Conference winners: BCS era
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:35 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:35 pm to Wolfhound45
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What about independents?
If an Independent is in the final top 4 they are in for sure. If they are not and there are only 3 conference winners ahead of them, I'd think you have to go with the Indy, though I get that causes some controversy (no system will be controversy free). The only time this came up was 2005 with Notre Dame being #6 ahead of #7 conference champ UGA, but behind tOSU and Oregon who did not win their conference. Oregon's only loss was 45-13 to #1 USC. ND also lost to USC (the famous Bush push game) and Mich State, both by 3.
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Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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H-Town Tiger
Good stuff.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:48 pm to H-Town Tiger
I prefer simply taking the top four teams, but I don't mind a conference champ being given the edge over a borderline #4 team.
However, I think #2 should always be in the playoff.
However, I think #2 should always be in the playoff.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 9:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
Ok, so let's go with you not having to win your conference title to say you can win the national title (which makes no fricking sense to me), but shouldn't you at least have to win the DIVISION you play in 
Posted on 12/16/13 at 9:33 pm to Zamoro10
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Yeah...2002...
The one team that no one talks about much during the Pete Carroll era, but one of his best teams. When the light finally came on for Carson Palmer that team just took off. They were rolling at the end of the year.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:02 pm to RLDSC FAN
College Football News has done something similar...
Going back each title year and having a hypo playoff...but with 8 teams and projecting the winners...
From 2002 on...it was basically...USC, USC, USC, USC, etc., etc...and then Florida in 2008 and then Bama, Bama, Bama, Bama, etc., etc.
So...maybe we really don't want a playoff when dynasties come around.
Going back each title year and having a hypo playoff...but with 8 teams and projecting the winners...
From 2002 on...it was basically...USC, USC, USC, USC, etc., etc...and then Florida in 2008 and then Bama, Bama, Bama, Bama, etc., etc.
So...maybe we really don't want a playoff when dynasties come around.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:05 pm to Zamoro10
2002 - USC
2003 - LSU
2004 - USC
2005 - Texas (I think USC was better, but I'll go with Texas since they won heads up.)
2006 - LSU
2007 - Georgia
2008 - Florida
2009 - Alabama
2010 - Auburn
2011 - Alabama
2012 - ?????
2012 is the only year that I am really not that sure about. I feel like a lot of teams were pretty good last year and a number of them could have won it all.
2003 - LSU
2004 - USC
2005 - Texas (I think USC was better, but I'll go with Texas since they won heads up.)
2006 - LSU
2007 - Georgia
2008 - Florida
2009 - Alabama
2010 - Auburn
2011 - Alabama
2012 - ?????
2012 is the only year that I am really not that sure about. I feel like a lot of teams were pretty good last year and a number of them could have won it all.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:05 pm to BayouBengals03
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I think the top 4 should just be selected using the same BCS formula.
That's reasonable, but do you not this its kind of unfair to take 2011 Stanford over Oregon? If Oregon plays Portland State instead of LSU, they would have been ranked over Stanford. Is that what we want? The same situation occurred in 2012 only with Oregon getting in over Stanford despite losing the conference to them. Stanford's extra loss was to #1 Notre Dame.
To me those are the types of things the committed can fix which is why I don't get the hate for the committee. Why people have more faith in the AP or coaches poll is beyond me.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:08 pm to BayouBengals03
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2012 is the only year that I am really not that sure about. I feel like a lot of teams were pretty good last year and a number of them could have won it all.
Bama probably crushes everyone. Maybe Oregon gives them trouble since spread offense with mobile QB's seems to give Saban fits especially if he did not have month to prepare for just them.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:10 pm to BayouBengals03
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2002 - USC
2003 - LSU
2004 - USC
2005 - Texas (I think USC was better, but I'll go with Texas since they won heads up.)
2006 - LSU
2007 - Georgia
2008 - Florida
They had:
2002 - USC vs. Miami
2003 - USC vs. Michigan (USC knocking out LSU in the semis)
2004 - USC vs. Utah
2005 - USC vs. Texas
2006 - Florida vs. Ohio St.
2007 - USC vs. LSU
2008 - Florida vs. Oklahoma (UF knocking out USC in the semis)
2009...Bama, etc.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:12 pm to BayouBengals03
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2012 is the only year that I am really not that sure about. I feel like a lot of teams were pretty good last year and a number of them could have won it all.
No. Bama would have crushed everybody in 2012. 2008 probably would have the up in the air year especially if USC had made the four team playoff. USC and Florida would have been an incredible game to watch.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Bama probably crushes everyone.
Oregon had a shot.
Last year, I really do feel there were a handful of teams in the SEC that were all about just as good as each other. Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida.
Literally throw those six teams on the field against one another on any given day and I think they'd all have a legit shot to win. Not to bring in the scheduling argument... but at the end of the day, LSU, Alabama, and aTm went 1-1 against each other. LSU and aTm played Florida, and Alabama didn't.
Georgia and Alabama play 10 times, I think Alabama probably wins 6 of them. South Carolina would probably have won the East if they didn't have to play LSU out of the West. It was just all a big cluster.
So yeah, if Alabama enters the playoff as your SEC champion, they'd most likely win it all. But if another SEC team sneaks in the playoff, it might have been a toss up.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:13 pm to Zamoro10
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Michigan (USC knocking out LSU in the semis)
With fat frick Navarre at quarterback? Dude couldn't move. The Rose Bowl against USC was awful. He was terrible.
LSU's defense got after the quarterback more than anyone in the nation that year. LSU would have crushed them just like USC.
ETA: I misread. Thought it said Michigan over LSU in the semis. But I'll leave this here to illustrate just how fricking terrible Navarre was.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:13 pm to Zamoro10
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then Florida in 2008
I actually think USC was the best team that year. That D was just filthy. I realize I'm very biased, but I don't think 2003 USC beats Saban and LSU, especially in the dome.
2002 USC was on a roll, but they would have had to open with Miami, lets not forget how loaded that team was. I've always felt they would have beaten OSU if Mcghee didn't get hurt. I could see SC winning 2002, but no lock. 2004 they should have won easily and maybe 2008.
2006 would have been up in the air. In an 8 team playoff LSU has a real shot. Florida, USC and LSU ultimately were the best teams imo.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
Forgot about USC in 2007. I agree, they'd have won. Not Georgia.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:15 pm to Zamoro10
Here's my list of the best teams in the country since the BCS was implemented.
1998- Ohio State
1999- Florida State
2000- Miami
2001- Miami
2002- USC
2003- USC
2004- USC
2005- Texas
2006- USC
2007- LSU
2008- Florida
2009- Alabama
2010- Auburn
2011- Alabama
2012- Alabama
2013- Alabama
1998- Ohio State
1999- Florida State
2000- Miami
2001- Miami
2002- USC
2003- USC
2004- USC
2005- Texas
2006- USC
2007- LSU
2008- Florida
2009- Alabama
2010- Auburn
2011- Alabama
2012- Alabama
2013- Alabama
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:16 pm to BayouBengals03
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Michigan (USC knocking out LSU in the semis)
With fat frick Navarre at quarterback? Dude couldn't move. The Rose Bowl against USC was awful. He was terrible.
LSU's defense got after the quarterback more than anyone in the nation that year. LSU would have crushed them just like USC.
ETA: I misread that too, but OU would have smoked Michigan. OU's D was pretty good that year as well.
ETA: I misread. Thought it said Michigan over LSU in the semis. But I'll leave this here to illustrate just how fricking terrible Navarre was.
yeah, that's just insane. I wonder if they remember who was coaching LSU that year
ETA: I misread that too, but I think OU would have beaten Michigan. Their D was pretty stout that year as well.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:17 pm to Bench McElroy
I just don't get the love for USC in 2006.
They couldn't beat UCLA with everything on the line. LSU and Florida were the two best teams in the nation that year.
And you might say that LSU couldn't beat Arkansas with everything on the line in 2007, but I don't think LSU was the best team in 2007.
They couldn't beat UCLA with everything on the line. LSU and Florida were the two best teams in the nation that year.
And you might say that LSU couldn't beat Arkansas with everything on the line in 2007, but I don't think LSU was the best team in 2007.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:20 pm to BayouBengals03
2006 USC was really good, that loss to UCLA was a real head scratcher, the type of thing Miles haters would never stop bitching about if Les had lost a game like that
2007 Ark was a lot better than that UCLA team and 2007 LSU was the best team that year, just no where near as good as the best team from a lot of other years.
2007 Ark was a lot better than that UCLA team and 2007 LSU was the best team that year, just no where near as good as the best team from a lot of other years.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:23 pm to BayouBengals03
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I just don't get the love for USC in 2006.
2006 USC wasn't in good form...they wouldn't have done well in a playoff.
The reason for anti-playoff people - like Bama is now - is that usually USC was smoking hot at the end of the year and playing their best.
The old joke was - the only thing keeping USC from winning the title every year - is that they drop a game they shouldn't early in the season...ergo, the Polls.
With a playoff now - you get that mulligan.
It's less a reward for the season, I suppose and simply who is the best - at the end of the year.
But 2006 with Booty injured and playing like crap at the end against UCLA - wasn't going to be much better - probably.
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