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College Football Playoff using top 4 Conference winners: BCS era
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:38 pm
I've gone through all 16 years of the BCS and using the final BCS standings to determine a 4 team playoff using just conference winners. [link=( https://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_standings.html)]BCS Rankings 1998-2013[/link]
13 of 16 years the top 4 conference winners were all in the final top 6. 8 of 16 were all top 5, with 5 years were the top 4 were all conference winners. I'll discuss the other years in separate posts. This will be tl, so dr accordingly.
Overall the disputes are minor, with 1 or 2 exceptions.
The 5 years where the top 4 were all conference winners.
1999: FSU, Va Tech, Neb, Bama
2000: OU, FSU, Miami, Washington
2002: Miami, tOSU, UGA, USC *( will discuss separately)
2007: tOSU, LSU, VT, OU (maybe the most controversial BCS is one of least controversial 4 team playoffs)
2009: Bama, Texas, Cincy, TCU (Sorry Florida)
3 other years were it was top 5
1998: Tenn, FSU, #4 tOSU #5 UCLA, #3 KSU blew BigXII title game. UCLA was unbeaten before playing postponed game vs Miami late. Splitting hairs between these 2. This is the first, but not last time a CCG cost someone.
2010: Auburn, Oregon, TCU, #5 Wisconsin. #4 Stanford had same record was Wisky. Stanford’s loss was to #2 Oregon. Wisc was part of 3 way tie in B1G with #6 tOSU and #9 MSU. Their only loss was to MSU and Wisc beat tOSU. Now, Wisc and MSU would play in B1G CG.
2013: FSU, Auburn, #4 MSU, #5 Stanford. #6 Baylor had better record than Stanford and has a great case. #3 Bama passes the eyeball test and lost a tough game on last play on the road.
13 of 16 years the top 4 conference winners were all in the final top 6. 8 of 16 were all top 5, with 5 years were the top 4 were all conference winners. I'll discuss the other years in separate posts. This will be tl, so dr accordingly.
Overall the disputes are minor, with 1 or 2 exceptions.
The 5 years where the top 4 were all conference winners.
1999: FSU, Va Tech, Neb, Bama
2000: OU, FSU, Miami, Washington
2002: Miami, tOSU, UGA, USC *( will discuss separately)
2007: tOSU, LSU, VT, OU (maybe the most controversial BCS is one of least controversial 4 team playoffs)
2009: Bama, Texas, Cincy, TCU (Sorry Florida)
3 other years were it was top 5
1998: Tenn, FSU, #4 tOSU #5 UCLA, #3 KSU blew BigXII title game. UCLA was unbeaten before playing postponed game vs Miami late. Splitting hairs between these 2. This is the first, but not last time a CCG cost someone.
2010: Auburn, Oregon, TCU, #5 Wisconsin. #4 Stanford had same record was Wisky. Stanford’s loss was to #2 Oregon. Wisc was part of 3 way tie in B1G with #6 tOSU and #9 MSU. Their only loss was to MSU and Wisc beat tOSU. Now, Wisc and MSU would play in B1G CG.
2013: FSU, Auburn, #4 MSU, #5 Stanford. #6 Baylor had better record than Stanford and has a great case. #3 Bama passes the eyeball test and lost a tough game on last play on the road.
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Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
2001: Miami, #3 Colorado, #4 Oregon #8 Illinois. Illinois was 10-1 and won the B1G, why they were #8 behind a slew of 2 loses teams is a mystery to me. I suspect if they were called tOSU or Michigan they would have been higher. Anyway, this was the 2nd time a team (Tenn) was #2 going into the CCG and lost. Worse they had to play a team they had already beaten that was 5-3 in conference. Texas also blew CCG losing to CU who they had also already beaten. of the 3 teams to make the BCS CG without winning their conference., 2001 Nebraska was easily the worst, they would probably be #4 using the current BCS formula.
2002: The final top 4: Miami, Ohio State, Georgia, USC were all conference winners. However, USC lost to #6 Wash State, both were 7-1 in conference, there was no Pac12 CG at the time and WSU did get the Rose Bowl berth. #2 Ohio State and #5 Iowa did not play and both were 8-0 in the Big 10. Again this would not be an issue going forward. Iowa’s loss was to 7-6 Iowa State.
2003: #2 LSU, #3 USC, #4 Michigan, #7 FSU. At the time OU was #1 however that was the old BCS formula, they would be #3 most likely using current formula they were #3 in the traditional aka human polls at the time. FSU was 10-2 and the 4th highest ranked conference winner. Miami was #9 and also 10-2. They beat FSU and were probably ranked lower because they lost 2 in a row to VT and Tennessee who were both top 10 at the time they played Miami. IMO, 2003 OU is the worst omission using just conference winners because they not only dominated 90% of the season, but still had the best record in their conference. This is exhibit A of why I don’t like conference champ games.
2004: USC, OU, Auburn, #6 Utah. Like the top 3 Utah was unbeaten. #4 was Texas, #5 was Cal, their loses were to OU and USC. I really don’t see how anyone could gripe about Utah going over Texas/Cal. IMO Texas being #4 is everything that is wrong with the poll systems. The moved up in part because Cal had an unimpressive win over So Miss the last week. Cal should have beaten USC, Texas was handled easily by OU. If you think the BCS is good because the regular season matters, UT and Cal had their chance and lost.
2002: The final top 4: Miami, Ohio State, Georgia, USC were all conference winners. However, USC lost to #6 Wash State, both were 7-1 in conference, there was no Pac12 CG at the time and WSU did get the Rose Bowl berth. #2 Ohio State and #5 Iowa did not play and both were 8-0 in the Big 10. Again this would not be an issue going forward. Iowa’s loss was to 7-6 Iowa State.
2003: #2 LSU, #3 USC, #4 Michigan, #7 FSU. At the time OU was #1 however that was the old BCS formula, they would be #3 most likely using current formula they were #3 in the traditional aka human polls at the time. FSU was 10-2 and the 4th highest ranked conference winner. Miami was #9 and also 10-2. They beat FSU and were probably ranked lower because they lost 2 in a row to VT and Tennessee who were both top 10 at the time they played Miami. IMO, 2003 OU is the worst omission using just conference winners because they not only dominated 90% of the season, but still had the best record in their conference. This is exhibit A of why I don’t like conference champ games.
2004: USC, OU, Auburn, #6 Utah. Like the top 3 Utah was unbeaten. #4 was Texas, #5 was Cal, their loses were to OU and USC. I really don’t see how anyone could gripe about Utah going over Texas/Cal. IMO Texas being #4 is everything that is wrong with the poll systems. The moved up in part because Cal had an unimpressive win over So Miss the last week. Cal should have beaten USC, Texas was handled easily by OU. If you think the BCS is good because the regular season matters, UT and Cal had their chance and lost.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
2005: Again the top 3 are easy: USC, Texas, Penn State. #4 was Ohio State who’s 2 loses were to Texas and PSU. #5 Oregon had only 1 loss to USC. #6 was 10-2 Notre Dame, #7 was UGA. Going straight by the rankings we have to take Notre Dame even though they are not in a conference. Its worth noting that LSU was #4 going into the scourge that is a CCG otherwise the top 4 would have been conference winners. Va Tech also lost a CCG and was #5 before hand, opening the door for Notre Dame.
2006: tOSU, Fla, #5 USC, #6 L’ville. #3 Michigan and #4 LSU get bounced for USC and Louisville. No crime in either case, especially USC getting in.
2008: OU, Fla, #5 USC, #6 Utah. This is maybe the toughest years. There were 9 teams with 0 or 1 loss that could all make a case. The team with the biggest gripe is Texas because of the manner in which they did not win their conference. 1 loss Penn State and unbeaten Boise won conferences and would have been left out. Bama and Texas Tech are teams that did not win their conference also in the mix. Taking USC (arguably the best team, yes I’m serious) and Utah over Texas and Bama is justifiable.
2012: Notre Dame, Bama, #5 KSU, #6 Stanford. Oregon is the biggest omission. Other non-conference winners in contention were Florida and UGA. It would a bigger outrage to me to take Florida over Georgia than to leave both out. A team should not benefit from missing CCG, which Florida clearly would have.
2006: tOSU, Fla, #5 USC, #6 L’ville. #3 Michigan and #4 LSU get bounced for USC and Louisville. No crime in either case, especially USC getting in.
2008: OU, Fla, #5 USC, #6 Utah. This is maybe the toughest years. There were 9 teams with 0 or 1 loss that could all make a case. The team with the biggest gripe is Texas because of the manner in which they did not win their conference. 1 loss Penn State and unbeaten Boise won conferences and would have been left out. Bama and Texas Tech are teams that did not win their conference also in the mix. Taking USC (arguably the best team, yes I’m serious) and Utah over Texas and Bama is justifiable.
2012: Notre Dame, Bama, #5 KSU, #6 Stanford. Oregon is the biggest omission. Other non-conference winners in contention were Florida and UGA. It would a bigger outrage to me to take Florida over Georgia than to leave both out. A team should not benefit from missing CCG, which Florida clearly would have.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
I wanted to this year separately for a lot of reasons.
2011: LSU, #3 Ok St, #5 Oregon, #10 Wisconsin: This is the year with the lowest ranked conference winner getting in. Given the result of the BCS CG that season and this being an LSU MB, it is the most controversial. I said earlier IMO 2003 OU is the worst omission but 2011 Alabama given the way they dominated the BCS CG has a strong argument. The pass the eyeball test for sure and were the first team in 25 years to finish #1 in all defensive categories. Though their schedule was one of the weaker ones of any BCS Champ. At 11-1 they beat 1 FCS team and of their 10 FBS wins, only 3 Ark 10-2, Penn State 9-3 (PSU’s only loss was to Bama before Sandusky scandal broke) and 7-5 Auburn. 5 of their 7 conference wins were against teams that finished 6-6 or worse and their 6th was Auburn. Other teams left out 11-1 #4 Stanford, #7 11-1 Boise, 2 loss Arkansas, South Carolina and K-State.
Leaving out Bama would have been a huge controversy for the month or so leading up to the playoff. If LSU had won, the controversy would have died out over time just like 2000, 2003 and other BCS controversies. 2011 LSU had one of the better resumes in the BCS era.
2011: LSU, #3 Ok St, #5 Oregon, #10 Wisconsin: This is the year with the lowest ranked conference winner getting in. Given the result of the BCS CG that season and this being an LSU MB, it is the most controversial. I said earlier IMO 2003 OU is the worst omission but 2011 Alabama given the way they dominated the BCS CG has a strong argument. The pass the eyeball test for sure and were the first team in 25 years to finish #1 in all defensive categories. Though their schedule was one of the weaker ones of any BCS Champ. At 11-1 they beat 1 FCS team and of their 10 FBS wins, only 3 Ark 10-2, Penn State 9-3 (PSU’s only loss was to Bama before Sandusky scandal broke) and 7-5 Auburn. 5 of their 7 conference wins were against teams that finished 6-6 or worse and their 6th was Auburn. Other teams left out 11-1 #4 Stanford, #7 11-1 Boise, 2 loss Arkansas, South Carolina and K-State.
Leaving out Bama would have been a huge controversy for the month or so leading up to the playoff. If LSU had won, the controversy would have died out over time just like 2000, 2003 and other BCS controversies. 2011 LSU had one of the better resumes in the BCS era.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
I think the top 4 should just be selected using the same BCS formula.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:43 pm to H-Town Tiger
shite, man. Most people just beat off when they have this much time on their hands.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
We should just name Bama the champs every year, since we'll just claim the title anyway. 
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:53 pm to prostyleoffensetime
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Most people just beat off when they have this much time on their hands.
That doesn't take nearly as long
This really didn't take too long.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:55 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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AllBamaDoesIsWin
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We should just name Bama the champs every year, since we'll just claim the title anyway.
Got a second?
ETA: Does this still count as a melt?
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
2000 would have been a perfect time for the 4 team playoff since 3 teams had a legit argument for the #2 spot against Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:03 pm to The Boat
2001, as well.
A lot of teams were chomping at the bit to get destroyed by Miami.
A lot of teams were chomping at the bit to get destroyed by Miami.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:05 pm to BayouBengals03
Nebraska wasn't a conference champ.. they didn't even win their division. Hello 2011.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:10 pm to BayouBengals03
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2001, as well.
I missed 2001, just added it, thanks
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:16 pm to The Boat
Yeah I know :)
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:21 pm to H-Town Tiger
2002 would have a been great year for a playoff as well. I honestly thought USC was the best team in the country that year. They got really hot late in the season and had a lot of talent with Carson Palmer, Troy Polamalu, Shaun Cody, Kenechi Udeze and Mike Williams. I think they would have won it all if there was a four team playoff that year.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:23 pm to H-Town Tiger
First, the head of this new committee never said it was limited to conference champions, only they would weight the conference champions.
There are 6, soon to be 5 BCS conferences so how do you leave 1 out of the play-off.
In most years the play-off will consists of teams from 4 different conferences. In some years when multiple conference champions have 2-3 losses you might see a second team sneak in, but that will be the exception....not the rule.
THIS PLAY-OFF WAS NOT CREATED TO REWARD THE SEC FOR BEING A DEEP CONFERENCE. IT WAS DONE TO GIVE THE OTHER CONFERENCES A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN THE NC.
There are 6, soon to be 5 BCS conferences so how do you leave 1 out of the play-off.
In most years the play-off will consists of teams from 4 different conferences. In some years when multiple conference champions have 2-3 losses you might see a second team sneak in, but that will be the exception....not the rule.
THIS PLAY-OFF WAS NOT CREATED TO REWARD THE SEC FOR BEING A DEEP CONFERENCE. IT WAS DONE TO GIVE THE OTHER CONFERENCES A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN THE NC.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
What about independents?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:27 pm to Bench McElroy
Yeah...2002...
Whipped Iowa in the Orange Bowl - when everyone was on Brad Bank's and Iowa's nuts by simply pounding the ball on the ground in the entire second half - Saban-Bama style...very physical and talented team.
Two tough losses for USC...early in the year in Manhattan by a TD against (back then tough K-State) and an OT loss in Wazzu (and yes, back then when Wazzu was really good.)
Closed the season to whip #7 Notre Dame and #3 Iowa.
Whipped Iowa in the Orange Bowl - when everyone was on Brad Bank's and Iowa's nuts by simply pounding the ball on the ground in the entire second half - Saban-Bama style...very physical and talented team.
Two tough losses for USC...early in the year in Manhattan by a TD against (back then tough K-State) and an OT loss in Wazzu (and yes, back then when Wazzu was really good.)
Closed the season to whip #7 Notre Dame and #3 Iowa.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:30 pm to Bench McElroy
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2002 would have a been great year for a playoff as well. I honestly thought USC was the best team in the country that year. They got really hot late in the season and had a lot of talent with Carson Palmer, Troy Polamalu, Shaun Cody, Kenechi Udeze and Mike Williams. I think they would have won it all if there was a four team playoff that year.
I agree about USC, they also had maybe the toughest schedule ever that year. Their 4 OOC were Colorado, K-State, Auburn and Notre Dame
12 games all BCS teams 
Their 2 loses were by 7 at #8 KSU, and by 3 at #6 WSU. Only downside is they play Miami in first round.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 8:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
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2008: OU, Fla, #5 USC, #6 Utah.
The title game would be anti-climatic in this seeding scenario.
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