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re: Chicago Cubs Super Prospect Futureboner Sploosh Emporium Thread | Maddon Thread
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:12 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:12 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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I would rather sign Darwin Barney to a ten-year deal than watch Edwin Jackson pitch again
Yea...I realize my defense of him is no different than the people that defended theriot, barney, fontenot and campana. The guy isn't good.
And there is no denying he's overpaid...by a lot.
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know his FIP is 4.17 and xFIP is 3.97, but his 3.83 BB/9 rate is annoying.
That and his line drive rate is incredibly high so the 'unlucky' tag doesn't really work for him.
I just don't share the vehement hate. I know i'm a hypocrite for that, but i still think he can be salvaged.
It blows my mind though that his numbers are comparable to masterson though. (and turner).
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 2:19 pm
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Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:13 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Don't forget his 1.6 WHIP
Just as I say that, Khris Davis goes deep. At least that doesn't go against his .344 BABIP
Just as I say that, Khris Davis goes deep. At least that doesn't go against his .344 BABIP
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:15 pm to piggidyphish
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, i'm still hopeful he can reclaim some of his magic.
What magic? The only time people were excited about Edwin Jackson was back in 2003 on the Dodgers when he was lucky as balls.
He is a career 4+ ERA and FIP arm with only a 2/1 K/BB ratio. Just because he can throw gas does not mean he can harness it effectively.
Edwin Jackson is who he is. He is practically 31 years old and has never stuck with a club his whole career. I wonder why.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:18 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
We get to watch him pitch for 2 more seasons after this 
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:19 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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What magic?
Middle of the rotation innings eater.
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3.83 BB/9 rate is annoying.
I know I quoted above too but this deserved it's own rambling and intended to maybe pass some time, but with Travis wood's numbers being not too much better, if that doesn't bounce back will he get the same hate. I've always thought as cubs fans we tend to be more positive and optimistic about guys who we perceive as one of our own as opposed to an outsider. Obviously I think wood has more potential...but just a useless exercise.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:20 pm to piggidyphish
quote:I think the excitement over Turner is that he's 23 and there is potential for him to learn and be a Jake Arrieta reclamation project while Jackson just continues to walk people and throw meatballs in the middle of the plate like a mongoloid.
man the sky falls quickly when he pitches.
His walks infuriate me, but it's 2 runs and if that's his typical blow inning for the day consider me thrilled.
lets just not go threatening his wife again cubs fans.
Obviously I see the difference but i do get a slight kick out of the excitement from cubs fans to pick up turner and the hate towards jackson. Jackson is terrible, but he's going to start, i'm still hopeful he can reclaim some of his magic. I also have a soft spot for lost causes.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:22 pm to The Sad Banana
That and we paid him eleventy billion dollars
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:23 pm to piggidyphish
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Middle of the rotation innings eater.
I have disliked Edwin Jackson because of his high walk rates. I know he has been really unlucky this year, but I feel like his "upside" is over exaggerated.
His career highlight was basically the worst no-hitter of all-time. 8 walks, 6 strikeouts, 149 pitches.
I do not really Travis Wood will be any more than Edwin Jackson, but he only cost us Sean Marshall, not $13 million a year. It was the only bad signing under this regime.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:24 pm to MetryMojo
Honestly we payed him eleventy billion dollars to pitch on a team that might win 72 games a season during his contract length. I'm not so sure that my hatred toward him is logical knowing that. But he just sucks. The fact that he's the highest paid pitcher on the team and he's also by far and away the worst, it just makes me mad.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:26 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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I have disliked Edwin Jackson because of his high walk rates.
well yea, it's why he's dislikable.
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I know he has been really unlucky this year, but I feel like his "upside" is over exaggerated.
When your line drive rate is that high it's impossible to call it bad luck
Again, i'm not making the argument that jackson is good, or unlucky, or even anything less than terrible. I just can't help being hopeful for him. Likely because i'm a contrarian and a cubs fan. Which is a bad combination when betting on bad baseball.
But i did dig that start a sunday or two ago.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:26 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:Well then you don't want to hear my thoughts on wanting to see Doubront try to work out some kinks
I have disliked Edwin Jackson because of his high walk rates. I know he has been really unlucky this year, but I feel like his "upside" is over exaggerated.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:27 pm to The Sad Banana
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I think the excitement over Turner is that he's 23 and there is potential for him to learn and be a Jake Arrieta reclamation project while Jackson just continues to walk people and throw meatballs in the middle of the plate like a mongoloid.
Let's not forget that Turner lived on top prospect lists for a few years and was dealt for Anibal (who I really wanted the Cubs to sign for 5/85) and Infante.
Turner may be bust, but he has higher upside than Edwin. Plus, he is almost eight years younger and costs jack shite.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:27 pm to The Sad Banana
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I think the excitement over Turner is that he's 23 and there is potential for him to learn and be a Jake Arrieta reclamation project while Jackson just continues to walk people and throw meatballs in the middle of the plate like a mongoloid.
yea i see the difference, hence why it's only a slight kick.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:27 pm to The Sad Banana
Part of a plan to secure top 5 picks. It was a genius move
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:28 pm to The Sad Banana
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Honestly we payed him eleventy billion dollars to pitch on a team that might win 72 games a season during his contract length. I'm not so sure that my hatred toward him is logical knowing tha
It didn't make sense to sign him when we did. The FO has admitted to that mistake. him sucking hasn't helped that but it's not all his cross to bear (well the sucking part is for sure, but the why are we paying for a pitcher for a 70 win team part)
And at least they front loaded that contact, so it's only 10 million a year going forward.
At least he serves as teh new lightning rod since soriano left that can at least provide a talking point to kill time.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:29 pm to MetryMojo
I guess you're right!
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:31 pm to Louie T
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Well then you don't want to hear my thoughts on wanting to see Doubront try to work out some kinks
I am curious.
I love the reclamation project idea. The Cubs will obviously hit more than miss, but there has been nice hits so far.
Arrieta - hit
Hammel - hit
Feldman - hit
Volstad - miss
Doubront - ???
Turner - ???
You get my point. All of those guys could turn into something. Edwin Jackson is a 3-5 on a mediocre team. It is money that could be have used anywhere else. That is $52 million towards Tanaka or the first two years or so of a guy like Hamels, Price, Lester, etc. or whatever the Cubs pay for.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:32 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
probably need to throw baker in there too.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:32 pm to MetryMojo
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Part of a plan to secure top 5 picks. It was a genius move
The future is so bright. It's why I don't criticize any move that's been made over the past 3 years.
It's similar to the Saints fan argument, "Reggio Bush was a terrible draft pick!!" well, we won a SuperBowl with him.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 2:33 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
And, if Edwin Jackson would have pitched more like Jason Hammel, we wouldn't hate him at all. Even if he pitched somewhere between him now and Hammel, he wouldn't be hated.
It just hasn't worked out. But the good news is he'll probably be around next year for us to hate, too!
It just hasn't worked out. But the good news is he'll probably be around next year for us to hate, too!
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